| Author | Message | ||
     Trojan |
Rapid-Bike is a fantastic new additional ECM module with an internal microprocessor that allows you to modify the fuelling AND ignition maps of your XB series machine! This plugs directly into the stock ECM and comes with a full wiring harness with original type connectors that just plug straight in. The kit also comes complete with a USB connection to plug into a PC to allow for almost unlimited adjustment using the supplied software. In a few seconds, connecting the Rapid-Bike module to the PC you can download the supplied maps and modify them with the specific professional software in order to obtain the best performance from your bike. Rapid-Bike is particularly suitable when modifications to the exhaust and air filter have been carried out. Its technical features place Rapid Bike among the most technologically advanced additional modules available on the market. Onefurther feature makes it absolutely unique, and that is Modularity. This means that the same module can be used on many different types of bike, and just needs the correct wiring harness to cover lots of applications. This means that if you sell your bike and buy another make or model you can take it with you. Measuring just 80x68x27mm this fits discreetly beside the stock ECM unit on all models, and comes with maps to suit both XB9 & XB12 applications. I have just fitted the Rapid-Bike unit to our Uly Supermoto, and it took less than 10 minutes to install. A lot of that time was because I have less space than is usual under the seat owing to the shortened back end, XB12SS seat and re-positioned battery box etc. On stock models there will be loads of space whichever model it is fitted to. Fitting consist of removing both black & grey multi plugs from the stock ECM and plugging them into the Rapid-bike harness. You then plug the Rapid-Bike plugs into the ECM. Apart from connecting a negative lead to the battery that's it, job done. Ours was pre-mapped for the XB12 (comes mapped for K&N filter and Hot-Performance exhaust, although it will be pretty much the same for any aftermarket pipe) so no messing around was needed. We will get it properly set up on a dyno after the show finishes as we have the ultimate airbox and Micron system fitted. This map will be available to download for people with a similar setup.   | ||
| Surveyor |
Looks promising, how much in €? Any problems with error/fault lights? I presume it allows you to alter the mapping so as to correct lean running in midrange? | ||
| Surveyor |
A further question, can the unit be used with the XB9r? | ||
| Buellgator |
You have got to be kidding me!?!?!? Finally a fully programmable ECM. I want one. How much? | ||
| Trojan |
Price in Euro including tax would be approximately €600. This is for the module, wirting loom, USB dongle and software containing maps for both XB9 & XB12 applications. Price to the US would be around US$640 complete. There are no problems with error or fault lights as far as I can tell after a short test of ours. You can adjust both fuel and ignition settings throughtout the rev range using the Pro software kit. The wiring loom has been designed with the Firebolt in mind, as are the instructions, although fitting to any XB model is a piece of cake. Fitting is exactly the same on all models but you do of course have to know where to locate your particular ECM. | ||
| Surveyor |
Trojan, That sounds almost too good to be true....if your longer term test proves to be as good you'll be getting Euros from me. | ||
| Xb9 |
Wonder if it circumvents the stock ECM's closed loop area and the AFV? Any technical details available? | ||
| Slaughter |
BRAVO! (TPS re-sets too?) | ||
| Cataract2 |
$640???? Whoaaaaaa!!! To much. If I ever decide to mod the engine then sure.. | ||
| Dagwood |
It beats the hell out of paying $200 for the Race ECM, $200-$300 for the PCIII or TFI, and still running lean. | ||
| Yohinan |
TOO FUNNY!!! Everyone stand by before you drop the money on this. In the very very near future there will be something similar to this but in my opinion better. If the person bringing this to the board feels the need I will let him post. I am not going to spill the beans but I am sure within the next few weeks you will see something else along these lines but as I said in my opinion a better option. Thought I would wet everyone's appetite a little more. John | ||
| 650 |
This isn't a replacement ECM is it? It's a piggyback device like the PC or TFI? | ||
| Xb9 |
I'm looking for something that gives me total control of the fuel curve without the stock (or race ECM) trying to overide the changes. I don't see this happening without a REPLACEMENT ECM Unit. When someone comes out with this, I will buy. | ||
| Yohinan |
Just wait a few weeks and you all will see what I am talking about. Just what your looking for and more xb9, as far as total control. | ||
| Trojan |
Wonder if it circumvents the stock ECM's closed loop area and the AFV? Any technical details available? I haven't played with the software yet, but looking at the data it appears that the fuelling and ignition advance can be adjusted from 1323rpm upwards to the rev limit. The maps provided with the kit start to advance the ignition at 2600rpm and the fuel immediately at 1300rpm. See tables below, the first is the fuel map and the second is the ignition advance. Having had a quick test ride last night I can say that the fuelling felt absolutely perfect throughout the rev range using the map shown, although I still suspect it may need tweaking at the top end slightly.   The figures in the boxes don't mean any particular values outside of the programme but obviously 0 is no change from stock and the higher the figure the bigger the increase in fuel/advance. | ||
| Glitch |
If the person bringing this to the board feels the need I will let him post. You are too kind. So nice of you to give permission to your friend to post his product. I take it you have also signed your friend up as a sponsor. | ||
| Yohinan |
Glitch bite your tongue. I am sure blake has heard of this already! Why does everyone jump the gun about sponsorship? | ||
| Glitch |
Glitch bite your tongue. No I am sure blake has heard of this already! Don't be so sure. Why does everyone jump the gun about sponsorship? It's my job. Besides, you're talking about a product in direct competition with a paying sponsor. Bite your own tongue. | ||
| Yohinan |
After you see who has it then you will be the one biting your tongue. Hence the reason I told you to bite yours. I was not violating any of the rules this board says I must follow in my post hence I dont need to bite! | ||
| Al_lighton |
John (yohinan) is referring to me, I'm pretty sure. I'm hesitant to post this, because until I have tested it or seen more than hearsay data or observations, I can't fully endorse the product in question. Sponsorship isn't the issue here if it is me, obviously. However, if the product is all I think it will be, we will very soon have the capability for poking new fuel (and spark) tables into the race and/or stock ECM. The SW has been tested by the manufacturer. I provided them with stock and race ECMS to verify their product with, and the claim is that it works perfectly. I will be duplicating those tests when I return from vacation (IF I return, it the Wilma plots of where it hits Florida are accurate, I'm currenty staying in Naples  ) Products that wedge between the ECM and the injectors have been the only game in town for some time, but I really don't like the concept. Direct manipulation of the fuel tables is what makes the most sense, and I think it's here. But until I've seen it for my own eyes, I won't say that it works as claimed. I have high hopes. Stay tuned. The timing is lousy relative to the first American Sport Bike vacation closure, but I really hope to have very good news on this front in November. Sorry for being so nebulous, but that's just the way it is for now. If John ISN'T referring to me, well, there's something else coming too! Al | ||
| Yohinan |
Thanks for saving me Al. I cant wait to buy one. John | ||
| Blake |
Frankly Yohinan, it's just plain rude to interrupt Matt's thread like you did for the purpose of interfering with his presentation of a new product. I KNOW that neither he nor Al would ever do such a thing themselves, telling folks to "hold off for a few weeks until I get my product to market." They each have WAY too much class for that. There's certainly no need to be cryptic. If you know that American Sport Bike is planning to offer a new product, and Al is okay with you making the grand announcement, then simply say it... "American Sport Bike will soon be releasing such-and-such new product." Go get him Glitch. ![: ]](http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/clipart/proud.gif) | ||
| Japbikeboy |
Whatever; whoever... I want it!!! | ||
| Blake |
Does sound cool as heck don't it?  | ||
| Trojan |
There are a couple of European companies now advertising that they can re-flash the stock/race ECM and I have no doubt that it works very well. The only negative about it is that you have to either send them your ECM to get it done or visit their dyno, so you have no adjustability yourself. I think what happens is that you tell them what setup you have and the ECM is adjusted to suit. Price in Europe is around €380 (US$475 approx)for this service.  Here is a Babelfish translation of their description: 'For a long time expects - now finally possible! The injecting and ignition curve of the original controller of the XB models can be programmed immediately by us freely. The curves can be adapted so optimally on the respective exhaust/air cleaner combination. Programming can take place with us on the achievement test stand or after forwarding of the controller (maps for usual configurations already are in work!). A Reprogrammierung is at any time too much possible for favorable conditions!' | ||
| Pepi |
which companies? are they working on a curve to fit the buell race can and filter setup? | ||
| Trojan |
which companies? are they working on a curve to fit the buell race can and filter setup? Try contacting Stefan at S-F Bikeparts in Germany at www.sf-bikeparts.de. I would think that the race kit setup is already catered for with the race ECM though? (Message edited by trojan on October 21, 2005) | ||
| 2hogs |
No disrespect intended, but my opinion of the units that 'help' the stock ECUs do their job are a bandaid solution. As an embedded systems engineer, if you can develop a product to operate in this manner, you can (if you have access to the stock signals and program) develop a replacement ECU that is user programmable (rework fuel map, ignition, etc) for their particular setup. My opinion on why Harley, Buell, etc don't make the stock units like this is $$$ and EPA driven. Maybe some liability issues also with people trashing the engine because they didn't tweak the ECU right could be a concern. Race cans and ECUs just bring in additional $$$$. More than what they'd make if the stock ECU was programmable and you'd just need a cable and software to mod it. I have cash in hand for a replacement ECU that I can adjust for my setup! Just my 0.02 Cheers | ||
| Trojan |
The Rapid-Bike unit is actually an add-on ECU in it's own right and is much more advanced than the PCIII or Techlusion. Rather than fitting in between the ECU and injectors as they do, it fits into the system before the stock ECU. On many models (unfortunately not the Buell fitment)you can use the even more advanced Rapid-bike 3 unit, that lets you carry out adjustments not only to the fuel and ignition but also the rev limit of the bike. This unit was used to win the BMW Power Cup (Run at Moto GP events) this year and is in use with a number of other top race teams as well. The Free Spirits race team in Italy have been using this device all year on their VERY modified XB12 race bike (don't be fooled by the black engine cases) and it has proved to have enough adjustment to suit even their far from stock engine.  If you look at the above tables you'll see fuel & ignition values that are pre-set in the XB12 map. Every one of these is able to be adjusted from a value of -96 to +96 at each step. This gives it almost as much adjustability as the Buell Race ECU available to racers only, and is much easier to program. I think the reason for making it an add on unit is that you can move it from bike to bike just by using a new wiring loom and software, hence making it available to lots of models and not just Buells (There aren't really enough around yet to tempt big companies into making Buell specific stuff). | ||
| Al_lighton |
Truth be told, I'd asked John to keep it under wraps since until I test it, I can't endorse it 100%. And I'm sure his intentions in this case were honorable, just trying to help folks make an informed decision, so be easy on him. But Blake, you're right, the right place to do it is in our own product announcement thread, and I truly hope to be able to start that thread very soon. But drat it, it is now looking like they are saying the hurricane will hit here right about the time my flight out of here is supposed to take off! It's so far away, and moving so slowly, there is no certainty at all, but I HAVE to get back, work is stacking up by the minute! Al |
