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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 12:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

"Centrifugal force will push the oil outward especially if the rider is hanging off the bike."

Correction:

Centrifual force will tend to push the oil outward only if the rider is hanging off the bike.

Without the rider hanging off, the force of gravity trying to pull the oil down/in is exactly offset by the centrifugal force trying to push the oil down/out.

Your possible explanation #1 makes sense to me; #2 does not.

Another possibility is that the demise of your oil pump drive gear and the resulting debris may have contaminated the engine leading to failure. We have seen this before, but in addition to the extreme wear usually the gear also exhibits fractured teeth.
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Dago
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

#1 doesn't explain the knife edge blades on the oil pump gear. And none of the blades/teeth appear fractured to the naked eye.

So perhaps there's a #3 we've yet to think about.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 12:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Out of tolerance run-out on the crank at the cam side bearing will cause excessive wear on the oil pump drive gear. Again, we have seen this before.

(Message edited by blake on November 23, 2005)
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hmmm, could a loose crankshaft nut lead to excessive runout or problematic deflections at the oil pump drive gear? Methinks absolutely yes.
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Dago
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 01:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

So you've witnessed experiences like mine before I posted this thread?
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yes with clarification that I am talking specifically about the excessively worn oil pump drive gear, not personally, but via the posts of BadWeBrs.
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

In fact we have pictures, somewhere.
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Dago
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 04:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Was the cause of the excessively worn oil pump drive gear ever established?
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Blake
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not sure, but the explanation I have heard that makes sense is the one stated above, excessive run-out of crankshaft end at oil pump drive gear.
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Dago
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 09:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Fare enough. Then why was this solution you knew about never brought up before? We've been discussing this here for weeks and you're only just now chiming in with some useful information.

To tell you the truth, it wears me out a bit knowing you've known about this for this long and I'm the one who publicly discusses it with vigor.

If I would have known as much as you do about this obvious problem by way of you pipping up with more of what youthinks, then perhaps I could have had a more productive conversation with Kipp.

But evidently I'm just a squirrel in your world trying to catch a nut. So I'm going to go enjoy my family, take solace in the fact Buell graced my warranty, maybe even get a few miles in, and dream of my newly arriving track beast.

Happy T-Day.
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Blake
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

What solution Dago? : ? I offered no solution. I merely offered one possible explanation for the cause of your engine trouble. I only just recently chimed in with that information as I only just recently learned about the specific characteristics of your engine failure. Not sure what you are expecting from me Dago. How can I help?

Sorry you feel worn out by my well-intended posts. My only interest is in trying to help understand the cause of the problem.

Family beats BadWeB every day. : ) I'm headed outside to rake leaves with my loving wife.

Happy Thanksgiving.

(Message edited by blake on November 24, 2005)
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Court
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2005 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

>>>>Family beats BadWeB every day.

That's an accurate statement.

And a day with the smell of food coming from upstairs, a Strat and a big amplifier in the basement is even better.

Happy Turkey
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Norcalbuell
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I got it back.........see my new post....

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show.cgi?tpc=32777&post=556130#POS T556130
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