| Author | Message | ||
     Thepup |
I have done a search and read up on this pipe.From what I understand you lose some power down low.Would you notice the power loss down low as much on a 9 considering that the 9 doesn't start making power till around 4500 RPM's.I have a K&N and a Power Commander.Any opinions would be welcomed. | ||
| Hattori_hanzo |
Have had mine for close to a year. Love it! Some people had mounting bracket issues on early pipes, but mine came with the improved brackets and have held up fine. Once the packing loosened up it gave my bike a real growl. I honestly can't feel the power loss, but then again I don't tend to keep the revs around 2500-3000 for long anyways. It definitely pulls hard to the redline. For the money it's awfully tough to beat. | ||
| Scoobysnack |
Very light can and good value as said. Packing in my Jardine really takes a pounding along with the rivets at the front, so has to be redone each year. Cheap and easy to do J | ||
| Mountainrider |
After installing mine I am now happy with it. Sounds nice not real loud. I cannot tell any difference in the power it runs great. | ||
| Rigga |
cheap, effective, looks great too | ||
| Mou5e |
i got a new titanium one for sale. pm me if interested. | ||
| Jerseyguy |
Go with a Drummer. You will gain at the bottom, not loose. | ||
| Buell_892 |
Drummers are soo expensive tho.. like 400 or so.. damn  | ||
| Madsx |
But its sooooo worth it!  | ||
| Madsx |
Whats a Jardine go for? Is it $200-$250. and then rivets come apart and it needs repacking and so on. Ya get what ya pay for. Give Kevin a call and you'll see what we are all takin about. | ||
| Thepup |
Getting the Jardine cheap,it sounds good, and you have to rev a 9 anyway. | ||
| Crystal200 |
Jardine is great, the rivets on mine have never worked loose. I see it as a good thing that you can repack it that way every year you can repack it, clean the inside and its as good as new, packing is cheap and aluminium rivets are cheap. And then you have your stock muffler ready to pop back on if you decide to sell the bike. $400 for a drummer  cut the end off take the return pipes out and weld the end back on and you have a drummer. If you want a drummer so bad and at a cheap price take your stock muffler to a muffler shop. get them to cut the end off, take out the return pipes, get them to put a different outlet on and you have a drummer.they will charge you $50 to $100 and all you need to do is paint it with some exhaust paint from the auto shop. Seriously any muffler guy once they cut a standard muffler open can easily mod it to ,make it louder and free flowing. (Message edited by crystal200 on October 19, 2005) (Message edited by crystal200 on October 19, 2005) | ||
| Madsx |
Ask Kevin. Thats not even close to what a Drummer is. Yeah any monkey can cut the end off and make it louder but its what he does inside that improves the lowend tourque and gives you a great curve to the top. As well as the great sound. If you want cheap get a Jardine. If you want QUALITY go DRUMMER! | ||
| Crystal200 |
Jardine is quality, its value for money, and its the choice of worldwide race teams. | ||
| Madsx |
I dont believe Quality and Value means repacking every year. But hey to each his own (Message edited by madsx on October 19, 2005) | ||
| Jerseyguy |
$400 for a drummer cut the end off take the return pipes out and weld the end back on and you have a drummer. If you want a drummer so bad and at a cheap price take your stock muffler to a muffler shop. get them to cut the end off, take out the return pipes, get them to put a different outlet on and you have a drummer.they will charge you $50 to $100 and all you need to do is paint it with some exhaust paint from the auto shop. Seriously any muffler guy once they cut a standard muffler open can easily mod it to ,make it louder and free flowing. LOLOLOLOLOL. Wow, talk about mis-informed. | ||
| Olinxb12r |
You guys crack me up. At least I'm not the only one that has a problem paying that much for a Drummer. Crystal they flame everyone that questions the Drummer. Kevin is probably a great guy and I've heard nothing but great stuff about his customer service, so some of the guys get pretty defensive. I have a Jardine, and I don't think you can beat it for the money. If you're going to spend the $400 plus for a Drummer, why not go get the Micron full system from Al for $700? | ||
| Madsx |
Maybe we get defensive because he misstated what Kevin's product is. As Jersey said he is greatly misinformed. | ||
| Ted |
ya ,no repacking the drummer, and you keep the stock jacking points. n/a for jardine & D&D. Great customer service too! | ||
| Jerseyguy |
Anyone on this board is more than welcome to purchase whatever they want for their bike and to hold any opinion they wish. Just don't degrade someone else's work when you have no idea what you are talking about. | ||
| Olinxb12r |
I don't believe that anyone is degrading Kevin, and everyone knows that he is a long time Badweb sponser. Some people just have different opinions than others on the pipes that he makes. I don't really see any difference in people voicing those opinions than people saying buy a Drummer in a thread about the Jardine. | ||
| Jerseyguy |
No problem with voicing an opinion. That's part of what this forum is about. If you want a drummer so bad and at a cheap price take your stock muffler to a muffler shop. get them to cut the end off, take out the return pipes, get them to put a different outlet on and you have a drummer. The above is not an opinion. It is presented as a fact, and it is completely incorrect. | ||
| Crystal200 |
How bout i cut a drummer open and a stock muffler and post the changes on the internet? Once everyone sees what is achieved for $400 they may opt to undertake the modifications themselves. | ||
| Olinxb12r |
These exhaust threads are so much fun! I love how upset everyone gets. There is about 1000 exhaust threads in the knowledge vault that are all the same as this thread and the other couple on the board currently. | ||
| Crystal200 |
Maybe Jerseyguy could take us through (step by step) the internal modifications that are made to the drumer (with photos) given that he belives the internals are so radically modified to the tune of $400 then im sure he would have no problem in justifying the cost. Then customers would know the effort, labour and materials involved. Is that $400 in materials alone or is it $400 in labour? | ||
| Darktwin79 |
Jardine is quality, its value for money, and its the choice of worldwide race teams.) DUDE! Are you stoned all the Jardine is, a reworked jap bike pipe. I tell you what that R1 you have listed as your bike in your profile, take it off and put it on your Buell there is your quality. I wouldnt call taking a design from another bikes value i call that profit. | ||
| Typeone |
I've had a Jardine Ti can on a Japanese i-l 4, loved it, great quality, awesome sound... would i trust it on my Buell? Hell no! She'd eventually shake that thing to bits. Is repacking related to quality? Nope. Those kind of cans need repacking at certain intervals. Big deal. I've also had a Special O.P.S. and a Drummer on my XB and liked 'em both but the internals are very different. Both are worth every penny i shelled out. Which pipe am i sticking with for the life of my Buell?... the Drummer. | ||
| Typeone |
...that he believes the internals are so radically modified to the tune of $400 then im sure he would have no problem in justifying the cost this argument just cracks me up. above its mentioned that you might as well spend $700 (!) on the Micron if you're going to spend $400 on a Drummer that supposedly is just a stock can with the back cut off. Come on. Those Jardines (and probably the Micron internals as well) are just straight perforated core with packing around 'em. I know the Micron includes the header so thats a little different but can you honestly crap on the Drummer, O.P.S, whatever 'cause you think one is 'better' than the other? Figure out where you ride, look at available dyno graphs, look at your budget and buy a freekin' pipe. If you don't like it, save up and buy another. That's what makes mods so fun! | ||
| Olinxb12r |
The full system is exactly why I said just go with the Micron if you are going to spend the money for the Drummer. Why not dump some extra cash in it and get the full exhaust with the sweet looking Micron. I have said it a hundred times on this board that I know that the Drummer and Special Ops produce good power in comparision to other pipes, but I can't justify the price. When you can spend the same money for a new can all together. I would think that the main reason for having someone mod a stock price would be to save money. The entire price of those pipes is in the labor, and I guess I'm just in the wrong business. | ||
| Crystal200 |
So what if the jardine is a reworked jap pipe, the drummer is a reworked buell pipe. I wouldnt call taking a design from another bikes value i call that profit. What would you call taking a stock pipe and removing some internals and asking $400? At least with the Jardine and D&D you get a physical product not just an "internal rework" Anyway i will just post some photos up of a stock mufflers internals and a modded mufflers internals and then everyone can make there own pipes from the stock unit. |
