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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hi!

I ride a xb9r -03 but i got a serious problem!

At a constant speed in 5th gear, at almost exactly 3750-4250 RPM, the bike, will stumble then then the engine gets powerless and engine check light turns on.

Then if i slow down, it will go away for a while and the check light turns off.It is not 5th specific either, as I dropped down into 4th and slowed again, steady state 3700-3800 Rpm, and it did it there too.

I get error code 23 front injector.

Anyone here who had the same problem?

Please help! The buell mechanics here in sweden are not so many....

/Bullen
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Björn
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hej Bullen! En svensk Buellmek här : )
I'll PM you some tips that might help!
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 01:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Somebody here had a fuel injector wire worn through and shorting to the frame... sounds like that could be the case here as well.
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 01:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have looked at the cables at the injector and sprayed the connection and it looked fine, but a stupid question: where`s the ECM located? That is connected to the injectors ins`t it?

/Bullen
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Björn
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 01:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The ECM is located behind the front fairing on the R model.
Follow the cables from the injector and check for wears against the frame or some other hard/sharp object. And you can also (if you don't find something) start the motor up and perform a wiggle test. Just be carefull of dropping anything down the intake, it makes such a funny sound then!
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 01:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanx!
Getting out to the garage now!
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Björn
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 02:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Where in Sweden are you located?
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 02:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Björn;

Gävle ingen HDmeckare här inte, kraschade för 3 mån sedan, en lokal suzukihandlare sa att dom kunde fixa så jag tänkte okej då skönt med nån nära, det tog 3MÅNADER. har inte fått alla prylarna än....fick tillbaka den i måndags och då fick jag det här problemet, så jag misstänker att allt inte sitter ihop som det ska! ECM en sitter alltså bakom frontkåpan?

/Bullen
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Kmt
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 02:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

When this happens do your gauges bounce to max and back occasionally?
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Björn
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 02:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jepp, den sitter bakom frontkåpan. Bara lossa på speglarna, blinkersen, och dem två nedre skruvarna till kåpglaset så ser du den där inne.
Då är det säkert den blåa XB9 som for av i min favoritkurva på Rumsättra vägen i Vallentuna! Såg film på Sporthoj.com från Twinträffen på en sån hoj från Gävle. Stämmer det?
Om nån har varit och mekat där fram (vilket dem har om det är den hojen) så finns det ju en chans att nån kontakt inte är hundra ditsatt! Kan oxå vara nån annan kontakt eller dylikt som har hoppat ur eller tappat kontakten pga smällen.
Men jag tror mer på den mänskliga faktorn!
Lycka til iallafall!
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Kmt

No the only thing that happens is that the engine loses all the power, and the check light turns on. Then when i slow down and let it idle for a while it goes a way.
When i ride at highest gear in aprox 3000-4000 rpm at steady speed and give throttle it appears.
When i drive througt all gears revving it to the max it purrs like a kitten (or roars like a lion)!
Race kit equipped.

/Bullen
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Björn
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

När du har tagit dig fram till ECM'n kolla så att vitkabel nr8 är urkopplad. Den stryper effekten i just det varvtalsområdet som du nämner. Visserligen så fortsätter den att varva den stendör inte och man ska inte få en felkod heller! Men kolla det när du ändå håller på.
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Björn

Japp det är jag det "fan vilken kurva" hade bara hunnit åkt 200 mil hur nöjd som helst, surt som fan hela sommaren åt helvete! Satt och väntade i diket 5 timmar...
Jodå hållaren för framkåpan är bytt ock kåpan lackad, så det är nog nåt skit där!
Fan så fräsh den blev i svart! Synd att den inte går så bra bara men kanske snart! En månad sesong kvar ju!
Vart skruvar du? Är väl dags för 1200 mila service snart, alla andra stämplar finns ju...men det är väl bara en kontroll av allt va?

/Bullen
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Perhaps the injector fails when it heats up?
I know that ignition coils can fail like that too.
Then they cool down and the little wires close in and it works fine.
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Björn
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Det är bara en kontroll som du säger. Smörjer alla vajrar, kollar transkedja och justerar kopplingen. Kollar styrlager och oljenivåer, ja en kontrollservice alltså. Hos oss, Probike koncernen kostar den 990:-. Kanske finns billigare nånstans? Jag jobbar ute i Täby men jag kan tipsa om Buellcenter i Bromma som ingår i våran koncern också. Dem har väldigt mycket godis till Bueller som man kan gå och drägla över! Svart passar jäkligt bra på Buellen. Min chef har en svart XB9 med svarta fälgar med polerad fälgkant. Klart fränt!! Sen har han ju Öhlinare runt om vilket inte drar ner på imponatorfaktorn direkt!
När det gäller ditt problem så tror jag som sagt att det är den mänskliga faktorn tyvärr. Inte för att jag misstror en Suzukiverksta ; ) men dem krockarna vi har haft har trots allt gått som dem ska, och dem har varit värre smällda. Men man kan ju inte utesluta att nån kabel tappat kontakten eller glidit ur en koppling.
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Jeremyh
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 02:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i need a book on Sweedish Translation for this thread!!
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Björn
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 02:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I've always thought that English and Swedish are kinda close! You don't agree? ; )
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Damn! everything looks fine at the ECU!
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Natexlh1000


No i dont think it is getting overheated, and i think the checklight will start flashing then, mine is lit.
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do the xb have a fuel filter? Or could there be some dirt in the injector??
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The white cable nr8 at the gray socket on the ecu should i cut it??
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Björn
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Knepigt! Tyvärr börjar jag inte jobba på ett par veckor så jag kan inte kolla exakt vad felkod 23 betyder. Antingen är det ett elfel (troligen) eller så kan spridaren vara mekaniskt dålig (väldigt sällsynt).
Skulle kunna vara ett värme problem, dock känns det inte troligt. Det känns som om det är glappt i nån kontakt eller att kabeln kan vara av på nåt ställe pga vibrationerna vid dem givna varvtalen. Jag har varit med om att kardelerna har varit av inuti kabeln utan att man ser något på utsidan så det räcker inte alltid att bara kolla hur det ser ut.
Det enklaste för dig tror jag är att start upp hojen utan luftfilter ock kåpor så att du kommer åt ALLA kablar. Starta inte upp hojen med nån kabel isär bara, typ insugstempgivaren, för då får du felkoder på det.
När motorn sen går så rycker du lite försiktigt i först och främst kablarna till främre injektorn.
Händer inget så är det bara att rycka i andra kablar och se om du får en reaktion.
Händer det fortfarande inget så blir det nog svårt att finna något för dig tyvärr.
Du skulle kunna ringa till Probike Täby 08-510 114 72. Jag tror inte att nån egentligen har tid men om du ber lite snällt så kanske dem kan slå upp i manualen vad som står under "felkod 23 front injector". Fråga efter Christian eller Petrus dem kan hjälpa dig om dem har tid. Och är dem griniga så hälsa från Björn Linde, det kanske hjälper men det är ingen garanti ; )

Sorry about writing in Swedish but it is sooo much easier giving techtips in your "native tounge".
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Björn
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Du kan plocka isär vit kabel nr 8 utan att klippa den. Dra ut den gråa kontakten ur ecm'n, dra loss den orangea pluggen sen ser du en spärr där inuti. När du ser den så förstår du hur du plockar isär den. Med den urplockad så har du ingen strypning runt tretusen varvs området och en sån vill man ju inte ha!
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Björn

Tack för alla tips! Hoppas den blir bättre nu när jag har pillat lite på anslutningarna...
Men behöver jag klippa vita kabeln om jag har racekit monterat?
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Björn
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Är inte helt hundra på om du behöver det. Troligen så är det bara en funktion som finns i std boxen. Men eftersom du är där och pillar så skadar det inte : ) Fast har du inte tagit loss ecm'n från instrumenteringen så är det svårt att komma åt. Och jag är säker på att det inte är det som är felet så det finns ju inget behov av att göra det.
Hoppas att det löser sig!
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Jo då den är loss!
Tack för hjälpen! Nu ska jag ut och skruva ihop lite...
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Hans
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 04:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Björn en Bullen, Kunnen jullie goddome ophouden met dat kleutertaaltje ??
Translation: Please could you translate the essentials in plain English ??
Hans
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Björn
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 04:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Sure thing Hans : )
I'll start with the funny part. I saw a movie on a Swedish forum, www.sporthoj.com, were a Bueller from a city a little north of Stockholm went of in may favourite turn on my favourite road. I of course felt bad for him especially knowing that there isn't a dealer near in his city so I knew it would take some time to fix. And the summer is short here in Sweden.
And I just stumbled on a post here with a fellow Swedish rider so I wanted to help him. It turns out to be that guy! It's a small world.
And I should mention that the shop that I work for is owned by H-D/Buell Sweden, so there is a close bond between H-D Sweden and the dealer I work for. With that said, every Buell rider in Sweden sort of feels like my own customer, being so close with H-D/Buell Sweden. Knowing that "Bullen" doesn't have a dealer nearby and that he has already lost the majority of the riding season I really wanted too help him. So I have given him all the pointers in trying to find an electrical glitch. Such as wiggle testing every wire he can see with the engine running. Hopefully he can recreate the problem and thereby finding the wire that is the problem.
Since the bike has been repaird after a crash he has also gone thru all the wiring round the frontfairing. He hasn't found anything yet unfortunately. And I'm not going to be at the shop for a couple of weeks so I can't look up what exactly the workshop manual says about code 23. But I have given him the telephone number to the shop so he can call the other guys there so they can look it up for him! Hopefully by reading exactly what the code says that might narrow the troubleshooting down so it'll go much quicker for him!
That's the short version of the story ; )
Sorry again 'bout writing in Swedish but it is so much easier for me!
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 04:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Good translation!
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Natexlh1000
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 04:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I didn't mean overheated. I meant warm.
The injector has a coil of wire in it like an ignition coil. It's a solenoid valve; an electromagnet.
If the coil breaks inside, the circuit will no longer make a magnet to open the valve.
Your ECU has pointed you to the right area of the bike.
My bike was running crappy and the error code said "front injector" Mine ended up being a wire that rubbed through on the front injector.
I know you checked the wire for breaks already but perhaps the connector might be a little messed up or some little thing?
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Bullen
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 05:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Badly everything looks fine visially, i have looked at the connections at both ends and sprayed them with contactspray and the cables looks fine, i havent tested it yet its pissing outside...so frustrating

Link to the movie http://sporthoj.years2.com/Twintraffen2005.wmv
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Bud
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

take a dvm and mesure resestance between pin 5 ( black socket ) ecm and the W/Y wire on the inj. conector ?

the lone error 23 is probebly a rubbed wire or the inj. it self

option is the swapping the injectors if the error changes to 32 the injector is bad


gr,b
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Indy_bueller
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 06:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Its good to know there are some Swede Buellers on this board. Thats my mother country (Great Grandpa emigrated here in 1911). Unfortunately I don't speak a lick of Swedish. lol
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Buelldyno_guy
Posted on Thursday, August 25, 2005 - 07:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Just to eleminate one issue next time it happens open the gas cap. I you hear air rush in or if it starts and runs after that, you have a blocked or plugged vent line. The bike will run until it sucks all the air from the tank. It has happend to me and I did not find it too soon. ... Good Luck. ...Terry
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Bullen
Posted on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 08:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Well i never have to restart it, it just looses all the power end the checklight goes on, then when i slow down the power comes back and the checklight goes off. All this happens when i am cruising in about 7o mph or 110 kmh in highest gear and give throttle, then it gets powerless.
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Bullen
Posted on Friday, August 26, 2005 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I took it for a test drive today on various roads in various speed for an hour, after cleaning the connections and added some injection cleaner to the fuel. And the bike functioned as it should! So i hope the fault dont come back but i will take a longer ride after the weekend and then weel see! Thanx for all the great advises i its fixed now!!!
Damn its so nice to ride XB Buell, the SOUND the LOOK and the TORQUE!!!

(Message edited by bullen on August 26, 2005)
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Hans
Posted on Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 05:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Björn, thanks for the translation, Good story.
Bullen, Keep us informed, please. Interesting subject.
Reason for this late reaction is another story, look at the quick board at vulnerable society.
Hans
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