| Author | Message | ||
     Cadzilla |
Just last week I went back to the dealer that sold me my 05' XB12Scg. and they had a 06' XB12Ss in black getting assembled in the back. I mentioned my interest to the salesman that sold me my bike and he said if I wanted it to come back in a day and see about a trade. (I like the more relaxed head and fork angle, along with longer swing arm.) So I did. Good news is I like the bike and all the changes made to it are just what I wanted. Bad news is they were only willing to give me $9,000 trade on my two month old 05' with less than 1,500 miles. Also they wanted to add in shipping and setup costs to the price of the 06'witch wasn't added to the cost of my 05' ouch! Basically a $2,700 dollar difference.  I was willing to go $2,000 but no more. Any way what I was wondering is does any one know if the 06' Ss long frame is responsible for the head angle 23.5º and fork angle 22º. Or is the change in the triple clamps or both? Will the tail section from the Scg bolt up to the Ss frame? Also any Ideas on cost of a new 06' Ss long frame, triple clamps, Ss swingarm and belt? How about vin# on the new frame? I sat on the Ss long and really likes the overall feel and think that the more relaxed fork and head angle will help with the slight tendency for head shake at high speeds. Relaxing my grip so as not to choke the bars has helped, but it's still twitchy. I really like my new Scg. it's a real torque monster.  But I also wouldn't mind changing a few things. Let me know your thoughts. | ||
| Cobblepot |
$9000.00 for your trade is generous. I've seen brand new 05 xb12scg for $8995.00. Anything close to MSRP give or take $150 on a bike that just came out is OK. If you wait you'll be able to get a deal on the new bike but, your trade will drop in value much more than the new bike's price will. Modifying your bike will cost much more than trading it. Also you won't have the new tranny on yours. | ||
| Brucelee |
Great trade offer IMHO. | ||
| Glitch |
That's a killer trade in price! Hell, mine went down by half in 6 months. The newer XBs must be keeping their value better. As far as your question goes, my best guess is that the swingarm won't bolt on to your frame. I'm only going by what I've seen, not from trying. Your best bet (most cost effective) is to do the trade. Once you start swapping parts, it can get expensive, mainly because of all the little bits you didn't count on needing, a simple parts swap sometimes isn't...simple. | ||
| Eor |
Your trade-in offer is very generous. I've sold two flawless low mileage XB models on the used market...I got 60-65% back of what I had in both. | ||
| Cadzilla |
Thanks for the input on the trade value, I am humbled now.  Just a little hard to swallow after having the bike less than two months. And not paying the frieght/setup first time but having to the next. Back to the frame/swingarm question does anyone know for sure on inter-changability? I also don't have a parts book or price list. But would still like to know what I would be looking at money wise for these two main components. Thanks. (Message edited by cadzilla on August 17, 2005) | ||
| Glitch |
Since the frame on the Ss is wider and the swingarm not even being made in Italy any more, I doubt very seriously it'll fit. Be aware though, I've been known to be wrong before. Your best bet is to go to a dealership with a tape measure. | ||
| Cadzilla |
Ya a tape would help. Didn't know bout the swingarm being made in italy. I was under the impression my bike was made here in USA. Dang! Is the frame wider at the mount/pivotpoint or just down the sides? Anyone? | ||
| Glitch |
I was under the impression my bike was made here in USA. Dang! Assembled here, yes. There's an article floating around somewhere (from one of the motorcycle mags) that shows all the countries involved in manufacturing the new Buells. | ||
| Steve_a |
At about a 90 percent confidence level, I believe: The swingarm should fit, but the subframe won't -- at least without some cutting and welding. The swingarm also requires new oil lines. Buell designed slightly different mounts for the Ulysses (and XB-Ss) subframe because they didn't want someone putting a Lightning subframe on the XB-X and then jumping it. The Uly subframe is designed to take higher g-loads. The XB-X and Lightning Long (XB-Ss) have a different steering head angle machined into their frames than other XB's, and also use unique triple clamps. Trying to convert a XB-Scg to a Ss or X configuration is going to be very expensive, and you still won't have the gearbox or reduced effort clutch or the XB-X's stronger wheels and front engine mount. (Message edited by steve_a on August 17, 2005) | ||
| Glitch |
Thanks Steve! | ||
| Cadzilla |
Steve_0, Glitch, thankyou for your input. While out and about this morning I stopped at Shumate HD and spoke with Jeff one of their parts men. Basically form the numbers in the 05' Scg and 06' Ss parts books it looks like the lower triple clamp has same part number so I would assume my front fork assy would bolt on to the new neck and give me the desired head and fork angle I am looking for. As for the swing arm the main bolt that attaches is the same part number along with the bearings. But there is a spacer that has been changed and when looking at the view of the two swing arms it is evident as well. In my case I would most likely do the swingarm and brace, longer belt(lifetime) with the frame at same time. These parts totaled $1,795.57 with tax in my state. Didn't know about the new oil lines, or the subframe mounts. Thanks steve_o. As far as stronger wheels or clutch I like mine just fine and don't plan on punishing them offroad. I was almost decided on the parts to purchase but now considering the subframe and oil lines I'm not sure it would still be money ahead. Still a $2,700 Dollar difference between my two month old bike and the new 06'Ss |
