| Author | Message | ||
     Xbolt12 |
Ha Ha! I was wondering when someone would bring that up...(Ti-Force dyno) Don't forget the Tsukigi XB exhaust. | ||
| Dana P. |
There he goes again.Heat BLANKET lol You look like pointing at Odie again. | ||
| Indy_bueller |
Are there any plans to do a XB9 shootout? | ||
| Ronlv |
the way i see it is that most people(companies) dont use their own ideas, they just try to make things better or cheaper then the next guy. look how many catch cans, carbon pieces, rearsets, billet covers, tail pieces, oil dipsticks, etc. there are, everybody has one but with their name on it. i dont think everyone(or anyone) dreamed up these parts and then made them, everyone copied buell engineers ideas, but made a few changes that they thought was better or cheaper. its called competition and competition is good, i am looking forward to more of it for buells, competition makes people build a better product for less. monopolies rip people off. i have a drummer and love it but buell can make the argument that it was copied, it is even made out of a buell can. just like harley did to s&s. i have products from most all the sponsers and then some. if companies have a problem with each other they should talk about it between themselves, they dont need you(norris) airing it out for them. that could be a libel lawsuit for you.(right blake :-) "cant we all just get along" rodney king later, ron | ||
| Xb12rene |
I still have a HSA Power Race, which I would sent to the muffler shoot-out, if wanted. Don't forget to ask Jens for a "Deep Thunder". Rene | ||
| Hogs |
HEy Xb12rene , What is a Deep Thunder? Also for what its worth, I run a xb12 stock header with the FORCE can only and it ROCKS, The only can I think so far that meets it is the Stock race can and I`m talking from about 3800 rpms up to red line ( where I have fun), When I`m playing on the road who cares about any rpms lower than that anyways its no big deal down there... and ITS one LOUD mother..SO those that want LOUD and Performance get yourself a FORCE can ...LoL | ||
| Glitch |
If your a honest man, you will find it kick butt!! I know you're not saying Blake is less than honest! You owe the man an apology if you ask me. You come to a man's website talking the way you are, and then insinuate the owner is less than honest? If you have "mis-typed", or "didn't mean it to sound the way it read" I suggest you read what you've typed, BEFORE you click post. You've already rubbed people the wrong way enough to turn them off the Drummer. I'm sure Kevin thanks you for that. Do no further damage, and calm down. If your a honest man... indeed! | ||
| Bubabuell |
Can we shoot this now? Put it to rest? I'm so tired hearing about the drummer. Though it's not as annoying as hearing from the pitch men nearly daily for over a year now. When Kevin first came here with the drummer he lamabasted everyone else's product saying his was the best. Great. I still don't want it. We've been hit over the head with this dang thing to the point of nausea. | ||
| Xb12rene |
The "Deep Thunder" is the Hillbilly-Motors Race-Exhaust  In my opinion(other pipes only heard as soundclips) it is the best sounding pipe. The bike sounds like a muscle car. sound clip "Deep Thunder" I also installed the FAST and TFI click here, and now the bike runs stronger as ever before (even I still have problems with the setup of the TFI).Right now the power starts at 3k till redline, but i think it is the TFI setup. Rene | ||
| M1combat |
That sounds (The fueling issue, not the clip) just like my Force... I think you need to REMOVE fuel below 3K. | ||
| Hogs |
XB12rene, Hmmm where can I go and see the outlet on this pipe I`m not sure its the one the guys had at the race thee other day, The one I saw the outlet was like 3 or 4 inches and pointing up to the stars..??? Louder than any FORCE can,I`ll dig a little deeper and try to find out... | ||
| Phantom5oh |
Does sound good, but I think the microphone is too close to the bike... | ||
| Blake |
Mike, You have mail.  That is nothing like the D&D for XB's that I know. It is an entire header and pipe system. The D&D uses the stock 2-into-1 header. | ||
| Blake |
Bubabuell, I don't recall anyone associated directly with the Drummer, not Kevin, not Brian (Buckinfubba), not that NJ bloke, ever doing anything like "lamabasting everyone else's product". That is bullshit and from my perspective you owe Kevin a sincere apology. In my opinion Kevin has conducted himself in an exemplary fashion on this board. It would be unfair to penalize him for the unfortunate acts of another. We'll let the dyno results speak for the merit of the various pipes we are able to test. Pretty sure folks will take that into consideration and decide what best fits their idea of optimum aftermarket pipe performance. We will attempt to cover ALL the bases in this dyno shootout. Anyone is free to witness any or all of the testing. We'll be posting the schedule and test plan well in advance. No variable will be left to chance. | ||
| Bubabuell |
That's not how I recall it. Go back a year ago (if not longer) to the posts regarding the drummer when it first came out. Every time someone posted a thread regarding a different exhaust Kevin chimed in and gave his 2 cents how his was better. That may be the case, but it got really, really annoying. It got so bad that others complained, and they still seem to do so to this day. I think it's great that there are choices, but that is just it - there are choices out there. Not just the drummer. Apologize? Nope. Seems to me there are others turned off as well. | ||
| Blake |
You recall wrong. You can do a search on the board for every single one of Kevin's 279 posts and you will quickly find that you are wrong. In fact there is simply no way that a contributor with only 279 posts could ever approach the level of "lambasting everyone else's product" as you said. You owe the man an apology. Please retract your statement. BadWeB will not tolerate the waging of personal attacks, especially unjustified personal attacks. And to top it off you are mucking with an honest man's livelyhood. Uncool any way you look at it. An apology is in order. There's a lot of that going around on BadWeB lately. It's really making the board a place I don't enjoy visiting. Please help me turn that around. Please apologize for your mischaracterization of Kevin. You MAY be thinking of Mr. Norris. He does not represent Drummer or Kevin as far as I know. | ||
| Blake |
Paul, To be crystal clear on this issue: I am asking you politely to apologize for your mischaracterization of Kevin's participation on this board. You have two choices. You may take note that I am a BadWeB custodian and honor my request per your agreement when registering on BadWeB. Or you may refuse and cease participation on the board. The bottom line is that accurate or not, this forum has a rule against posting personal attacks. If you cannot abide by that, then you simply don't need to be here. Entirely your choice. Yes, the custodians have let the personal attack policy slide of late. We now realize the error of that and are determined to enforce it vigorously. You have your choices. I hope you'll do the right thing. | ||
| Bubabuell |
I will not apologize for something I feel is not right. And I do remember the events exactly as they happened. If I'm wrong then why have so many posted over the last year how they're turned off by the drummer mainly from those involved in the hard sell? Let alone on this thread? Using the word "lambasted" (which really only means scold BTW) sure is a lot more PC than many other words that have been used here before. And by "lambasted" I meant the hard sell tactics that many have used to sell the product. If you want to kick me off it's your prerogative. Silly and and a bit PC trigger happy in my mind. But as you said I guess I'll be the example as you've let others slide. (Message edited by bubabuell on August 09, 2005) | ||
| Mrh |
I recall when the Drummer first hit the scene, cause I bought one for my 12S (which I sold a year ago) I believe Kevin was the "silent" partner and Buckinfubba (God love him) may have taken verbal defense of their product. He had dyno sheets to back his claim though. Should I decide to park another XB in my garage, it'll wear another Drummer. Great job Kevin! | ||
| Kds1 |
Sorry guys for all the sparks....I don't need nor do I want an apology for anything....Keep buying what you like and enjoy your Buells....I'm just 1 person and don't like to fuss....I realize the Drummer is not everyone's choice, but for those who have partaken and continue to partake of the Drummer, a big THANK YOU to all who support (over 150 now), there will be better things to come around the next corner, I'm still testing everyday and building my arse off for the one's who care.... Kevin www.kdfab.com | ||
| Bubabuell |
Ok. I will now apologize. You are right. It was Buckinfubba. I thought they were the same. So I do apologize to Kevin (only for getting the names wrong, though).  | ||
| Blake |
I don't recall Brian (Buckinfubba) ever being much of a hound on the Drummer issue either. He always kept his posts very positive. Paul, I pretty much don't care to see any disparaging of anyone here. I hope you understand that. Kevin, As usual you are a class act. | ||
| Glitch |
Ron, There ain't no profits. Just check into how much it costs to host a website with as many hits this place generates. The sponsors pay a one time fee, not much in fact. They do cover some of the cost, yes, but by no means cover the entire cost of bandwidth. What's left over is paid by Blake, and only Blake. Would you go that far to help promote something you enjoy? Things like this beat Blake down to the point it's not enjoyable. Would you go that far? And still continue serving up the wolds best Buell owner's website? I have a hard time thinking I would. You have no idea what goes on behind the scenes, so don't take it for granted that Mike and Blake aren't getting things straight, just because they're not out for the public to see. As far as what has gone on between you and Blake, that's between you and Blake, and not for public consumption either. Lay off All, It's time this thread change course, or be closed. It's up to ya'll the BadWeBbers, either change course to the positive, or I'll just close the thread. It's ya'll's choice. As Blake would say, go towards the light. | ||
| Glitch |
OOpps, I guess I'm late again, due to my slow typing. It still stands though, Go towards the light | ||
| Xb12rene |
@ Hogs, here is a picture from the back.  @ Norris It is a complete system made out of Ti. It is a 2 in 2, the only connection is the H-section. Furthermore the headers have a bigger diameter as the stock ones. Thanks for trying to help with the TFI. Settings: 3,5-4-3,5-7. I think M1 is right that it gets to much fuel. I had the 2nd pot at 7 and it was worst ,like a thinker minute before starting to pull. The problem is only under 3k. Thanks again. @Blake If You want I can sent the HSA Power Race for the Dyno-shootout. The mic was 8 feet away and behind a plastic barrier. The volume, the bass and treble were on the lowest possible setting. Thanks Rene | ||
| Blake |
Thanks Glitch and Reep!  It sure is comical. One day we're being accused of failing to stand up for our sponsors and even losing sponsorship over the issue, the next we're critisized for placating our sponsors. We must be pretty darn near right on target. I want to thank all of our current sponsors, especially those who actively participate. You are all class acts. Thanks for your support and for funding this little Buell Enthusiast's corner of the web. Can I get a "GOOOO BADWEB!!!"?? | ||
| Glitch |
"GOOOO BADWEB!!! | ||
| M1combat |
XB12 - I'd try Off, Off-1:30, Whatever you like, whatever you like (I'd say about 7:34-8:00 w/ a larger diameter pipe). Keep in mind that any time you change the fourth pot you NEED to run it for a few minutes at operating temp BEFORE you adjust the rest  . | ||
| M1combat |
Also... Settings too far from 7:00 on the fourth pot will cause the AFV to creep and will eventually trigger a CE light. | ||
| Blake |
René, that is a very generous offer and I'll take you up on it too. The more the merrier. I'll be starting a thread soon on the whole deal. |
