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Nateman
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 04:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I read in another thread that some magazine named the XB12R the best-handling bike ever. However, I was surprised to see the XB12S quite a bit further down the list. I've always been under the impression that the the two models were mechanically identical. Is there something about the riding position or suspension on a 'Bolt that makes it corner better than a Lightning? I've never ridden one of the R's, so I can't make an informed comparison. Now that I think about, though, every picture I've ever seen of XBs racing is a Firebolt...
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Typeone
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 05:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

i'll take a swag.. . i think it basically comes down to bars, pegs and body position. Throw in fairing style/wind protection too.. .

R = clip-on style bars. lower, more aggressive
S = dirt/flat-track style bars. higher, elbows up!

R = higher pegs, corner jockey
S = lower pegs, comfort less cramped (1" difference?)

R = more crouched/tucked, hunker down for the kill
S = more upright, ala dirt/flat-track, muscle it around

R = fuller fairing up front to tuck in behind
S = fly screen only, more wind blast/resistance
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Gentleman_jon
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 05:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I would say that One got it just about right.
I have ridden both models at various track days, I would say the obvious: the R can be driven a bit faster on the track because of its clip on bars and higher pegs, but that the S is more comfortable as a daily driver, more appropriate for the " mature rider", ( ie: old farts like me:-), and can still be hustled through the twisties at a satisfying pace, albeit with a bit more effort.
Both are very nice bicycles. I have an S, my nephew has the R, and if I were his age, I would too:-)
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Lonexb
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

gentleman jon,

to bad you have the slowest color that buell offers.

every one knows that black is the fastest!!

(snicker)

brian
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Blake
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 05:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Not "best handling", "best cornering". As ground clearance plays heavily into that, the S was penalized for its lower pegs.
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Dana P.
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 06:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Bars and pegs are a easy fix though.
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Typeone
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 07:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

sure are, 55 clams and i'm lower and higher

still got me eye on those Crossroads though.
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Glitch
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 08:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Erik once said, he'd choose the S for roads he didn't know and use the R for roads he did know.
Since I have a bad memory, I own an S with Cross Roads
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Duff24
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 09:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

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Tpoppa
Posted on Tuesday, August 09, 2005 - 10:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The S has a slight rear weight bias compared to the R due to the natural riding position (yes you can lean forward) being a few inches toward the rear. It is easily accounted for via suspension settings.

I love the handling of both, but the S is better suited to my riding style. I generally ride 300-500mile days on twisty backroads.
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12r
Posted on Wednesday, August 10, 2005 - 04:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I rode each one for a day before I made my choice. As you'd expect there's really very little in it - the S felt slightly more at home in traffic but personally I don't care for an upright riding position so I went for the R.

It's also a fact that in a given corner, the R's lower riding position means you have to lean over further than on the S.

They're both truly great motorcycles - magazines are for wrapping fish'n'chips.
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