| Author | Message | ||
     Blake |
Buell did release a formal press statement saying that they would be releasing a replacement for the X1 this year. Is Anony's claim Truth or Fiction? He/she has some specific details. Hmmmm. If true, who wants one, how much would you pay? | ||
| Blake |
Here's the actual anonymous post that appeared on the general discussion board...
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| Court |
Have I EVER spoken out of turn  You would LOVE to see the pictures I have on my home computer. Trust me, the LAST thing I am going to do is participate in a speculative Buell discussion. Say "hi" to the crew in Placeta | ||
| Jim_M |
Well, let's see, has Buell done something like this before? S2 (XB9R), followed by the S1 (XB12), then the S3 (XB12T)...was that release cycle intended, or just how the chips fell? just wondering aloud | ||
| Snowdave |
Holy crap, you mean I don't have to spend several thousand $ to add the 1250 kit/Nallin Heads/Race Kit/Custom EFI/etc. to my current M2? They had better hurry up, I am not sure how long I can go without at least adding one more performance part. If they build it as described above, I have one heavily tweaked M2 for sale. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The 500cc Blast >> to >> 9XXcc XB9R >> to >> XB12R would also seem to be an excellent migration plan to shake out any and all reliability issues as well. And are they racing the Firebolts with 1200cc displacement just because the rules say they can? Or because they know something we don't and want to skip what they know is an intermediate step? And what better way for Buell to justify (and leverage) factory involvement in racing... the acid test of advanced prototypes for final production. Again, all purely hypothetical, but the pieces fit well. And I seem to remember that 120 HP number showing up once before (like it is was a target of some sort)... oh yea! (love that search feature Blake!):
Hmmm... More fuel to the fire... that 120 number keeps coming back up. Weren't the original reports of the early 1200cc race versions of the XB9R rumoring "120 horsepower at the rear wheel". When Harley designed the VRod, they set the horsepower goal and kept engineering the engine till they got there. Maybe Buell had a goal also | ||
| Mikej |
How's the food?  Call me dumb, but didn't the migration/development go something like: S1 => X1 => XB9R ? So, shouldn't the more distance oriented migration go something like: RS => S2 => S2T => S3/S3T => XB9T or XB12T or XB1342T ????? I wonder if those "pictures" are what I, uh, never mind.  | ||
| Court |
How long do folks usually wait for Harley-Davidson (and derivative concerns) to introduce accesories? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Hmmm... time to run a "security audit" on Court's home PC (just kidding... I'm a "white hat" hacker, I will never invade a system unless I have been invited . Court... don't use Outlook to read your mail, keep your virus definitions up to date, make sure you get the latest windows patches weekly, and run a good firewall (like ZoneAlarm, or even better a standalone hardware firewall/router black box, and don't ever use a password for your local systems that you will ever use in a Telnet, FTP, or non encrypted (non https) web session.). As much as I enjoy the rumor and speculation about the new models, I never want to cause anyone from Buell grief because we got ahold of information (except maybe the person that designed the original front exhaust header mount at the moment I sheared off the easy-out in my sheared off stud... but I have calmed down since then, so I forgive them ). | ||
| Court |
Bill: Best "anti-hack" ever conceived......hard copy laying on top of the tower unit. Of course, I can see one of you guys climbing out a port, snagging something and stealing away..... Elves never sleep. | ||
| Spiderman |
But do you think they will call it the XB12R? Do you think they will come up with another name like XX12 or something and the name Erik has got to be running out of plane names from older aircraft. May be it could be the SR12 BlackBird or the F12 TomCat( these names have been trade marked in case a certian Anony gets any ideas  ). The Black Bird would be a cool name for a Buell IMHO. All Black, then much like the old S1W make it in different colors (but keep em dark) Your Frendly neighborhood Spider-Man | ||
| Lsr_Bbs |
BlackBird (and it's associate "XX" nomenclature) was taken by Honda years ago. Keep trying. Neil Garretson X0.5 | ||
| Blake |
Spidy, From the sounds of the statement made a few months ago about an "X1 replacement" I don't think the "R" for "racing" moniker would apply. If indeed that is what the "R" represents. I dunno. Maybe it'll just be an X2? I guess we'll know soon enough if it indeed is a 2003 model to be launched this summer. | ||
| José_Quiñones |
Recicheep, The FACTORY BACKED PRO THUNDER SPEC Firebolts displace about 1320 cc's, NOT 1200cc or even 984cc as they sell it to the public at dealers. The maximum allowed per the 2002 AMA Roadracing rulebook, page 40, for aircooled twins is 1350 cc. Liquid Cooled Desmo valve actuated motorcycles (ie Ducatis) are limited to 750cc, and somehow they (AMS DUCATI of Texas) manage to win, whether at "horsepower" tracks like Daytona or at tight "handling" tracks like Pikes Peak. Must be their expensive jockey, er, Rider. __________________________________________________________ If the anony is correct in that they only increased the size of the pistons, then it will displace about 1170cc, (3 13/16 piston, 3 2/16 stroke like the XB). I guess they can get away in rounding up to 1200cc it's close. If I'm not mistaken, any larger piston would require new cases. I still would like to see how they can pass the EPA drive by sound test with the thin cylinders liners that will result from this. They must have found something new. The Twincam 88 uses 3-12/16 inch pistons, and the cylinders are pretty thick/big, so they can help to absorb the engine sound in EPA legal form. Then they can sell you the 1550cc "Screaming Eagle" kits later on. They should call it the CORSAIR. | ||
| Aaron |
I'd be somewhat surprised if they do a 3-13/16 bore in the current cases from the factory. It pushes things a bit for a production line product. But maybe. | ||
| Lsr_Bbs |
I'd be more than just somewhat surprised...I'd be floored. Granted the fuel in frame absorbs some noise, but I don't see how a 3 13/16 production engine would ever pass EPA noise limits. Let alone the reliability from a production standpoint. My $0.02, I bet the "new" models won't feature any displacement increase. New variations on the same theme, maybe revised camshaft/intake/exhaust to shift power up or down the band (i.e., shift it more to the low end torque for a street fighter) and revised styling. Neil Garretson X0.5 | ||
| Gravedigger |
Just a suggestion. How about a 1200cc liquid cooled engine in a Firebolt frame and setup? that way we get the handling abilities, weight and wieght distrubutions of the bolt along with the massive power and torque of the vrod style engine. Maybe a 6th gear? Give us something that has the power of the foriegn bikes (or at least close the gap a bit) but with the ability to still leave thier asses sitting in the corners. Just a few idea's. I may be a bit off but you gotta dream! p.s. KEEP THE TAILSECTION!!!! or a close redesign, it just has that aggressive in your face look!! | ||
| Aaron |
I don't understand the noise concern. Why would that necessarily be noisy? Why couldn't the cylinders be made thick, like the Millenniums? | ||
| Lsr_Bbs |
RE: the Noise... To me, from the pictures I've seen of the XB, there doesn't seem to be much room to allow for thicker cyls and still have room for air flow between the cyl and frame. If that is the case, than you'd have to run thinner cyl wall = less noise suppression. And from past musings, the aircooled buells have always had a time passing EPA noise test(s). Now, I may (and probably am) be way off base, and there is in actuallity plenty of room...I've never gotten an opportunity to see an XB up close and personal. Regardless, take the [potential] noise issue out...I don't see the next model announced getting a displacement increase. Seems bass ackwards to relase the smaller cc/less hp; then a year later release a larger cc engine in a different model. Neil Garretson - just an opinionated squid X0.5 | ||
| Jima4media |
Jose, In addition to a great amount of natural talent, Australian Kirk McCarthy, the AMS Ducati jockey is light in weight and small in stature, to tuck under the 748 windscreen. I would like to know how much that 748 weighs wet with him on board. Jim X-2.5 | ||
| Buelliedan |
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the primary noise maker after the exhaust the valvetrain? | ||
| Spiderman |
Yep if they put in roller rockers it will get rid of alot of valvetrain noise. Not to mention a tad more ponies. As for bigger cyl. you would need bigger cases. New Buell BB12X (Big Buell)  | ||
| Mikej |
But, yes, the "primary" does make a bunch of noise all on it's own as well.  | ||
| Buelliedan |
Spider, How much HP do roller rockers really gain a Buell on Average? Are they worth the $300? | ||
| Spiderman |
True lets put a belt drive with a dry cluth and Waal la= mini Duc | ||
| Blake |
It's getting real deep, real quick in here.  | ||
| Buelliedan |
Blake, Is that in response to my roller rocker question? Does anybody know if roller rockers really gain HP or is it all hype? | ||
| X1glider |
Dan, not enough HP for the money, maybe 1/2 HP. I'm a firm believer in them for cam lifts of .580 and up. It relieves a bit of stress. Quieter? Doubt it. | ||
| Rick_A |
I don't know about that roller rocker comment...after installing those I had more noise. They seem to add almost no measureable power but they will make the valve seals last a lot longer. There are some available for a lot less than $300, too. The new Buell...I believe. Most likely I think the new engine will have a longer stroke than the Firebolt. Streetfighters need arm-wrenching torque, no? I'm sure they timed it's introduction like they have in the past. No doubt the whole new fleet was developed together...and Buell has patiently waited to release them...while people wait impatiently to see them. | ||
| Blake |
Negatory Danno. What X1G said. Except I personally doubt ANY HP benefit. Roller rockers simply reduce the stress on valve stems/guides for high lift cams. They are a reliability option, not a performance option. |
