| Author | Message | ||
     Bretley |
Anyone have any idea or heard about these and any difference they may make??? | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
It was just announced 43 minutes ago. I dont think anyone here has installed one yet. Give it some time. | ||
| Reepicheep |
The only difference they will make is that they won't come apart after 19k miles on cases with tolerance stack issues in the machining, and thereby not blow your engine. Kudo's to Buell for going to all the trouble to get these things made, marketed, and sold. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
And tested, don't forget tested. | ||
| Dale |
New swing arm. Does it have more oil capacity? | ||
| Starter |
What for???? You already carry plenty of oil for the size of the engine. | ||
| Grndskpr |
Anyone have any idea or heard about these and any difference they may make??? This is a BUell Race only part, they have had for numerous years, dating back to the tube frame bikes, avaliable if you knew the right people at Buell for some time, highly recomended by all shops that ahve delt with race engines, considered gold in the past, now avaliable to the public, wise investment, i plan to pick one up shortly R | ||
| Choldy |
trying not to sound too stoopid but...... what does this do, does it just make the oil pump around the engine faster or stronger or what? | ||
| Ara |
The old dichotomy between performance oil pumps was high pressure vs. high volume. Will this new part produce a similiar volume of oil flow at higher pressure or more oil flow at roughly the same pressure? | ||
| Outrider |
Grndskpr...Interesting you mention it was available as a race only part. Last summer Hal's Performance Center told me there was no race only or stronger gear and that they used the stock $15 gear on their race bikes. Makes me wonder if they were pulling my chain. Hell, I even ordered a replacement oil pump as it was a cheap add-on compared to the cost of replacing the gear. For some reason, I just don't see Hal's turning down a $750+ service order for parts and labor. Oh well, it doesn't make any difference now as the X1 survived another year with the original gear. Whew!!! | ||
| Dale |
If the gear is gone, do you get the low oil pressure light, or just less flow. My oil pump was shot the last time. How ever I just assumed it was from metal from the lower end. | ||
| Jackbequick |
The new high performance gear drives the oil pump, it will not increase oil flow volume or pressure. As I understand it, the driven gear on the pump is the one that tends to fail and that is because of problems with gear alignment/lash and eccentricity in the gears. Not sure how this high performance gear will change any of that other than eliminating the problems in one of the two gears. Am I missing anything here? Jack | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
If the gear is gone, do you get the low oil pressure light, or just less flow. Hmm, let me find my pics & i will show you what happens when that gear goes bye bye. | ||
| Buells Rule! (Dyna in disguise) |
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| Tkelly5 |
Question- looking at the close-ups of the engine on the Ulysses micro web site, I notice that there appears to be a ... oil cooler...? anyone have the 411..Court?....I have an S-1, looking at spurgin but maybe this will be available from Buell as an add-on? | ||
| Whodom |
Tkelly5: All the XB's have oil coolers. I've seen photos of at least one tuber with the XB cooler adapted to fit. | ||
| Joele |
So, the stock gear is "too soft" to hold up to race type abuse and the race gear can handle it...right? What's it, titanium nitride coated or what? | ||
| Jens |
Hi, the racedep. drivegear is copper byrillium. We (M-TeK) do the oiljet convertion to the Tubeframeengines. All rearcylinder heatproblems are gone with that. Jens | ||
| Benm2 |
Copper beryllium? That would explain the cost! | ||
| Grndskpr |
Makes me wonder if they were pulling my chain Well it may not have been intentional, ie there is an ECM that is programable for the XB bikes, again a factory only piece, same as the gear,considered before to be unubtanium, now avliable to the public, this was mentioned to me reguarding my engine build, and was told if i could get one, to do it ASAP, as its worth its weight in gold, so you be the judge, plus if i rember right it used to be more expensive, and you had to call the right people to get it, i am just lucky that way R | ||
| Outrider |
Roger...Thanks for the info. I just read Anon's post in a different thread that said the race bikes have been using the new gear for quite some time. Translation: Both Hal's Service Department and Performance Center pulled my chain! In fact, I was down right lied to. Needless to say I am a tad miffed for the moment as I haven't been riding the X1 that much in anticipation of someone making a new drive gear or my selling the bike before it grenaded. For me the redeeming social value is, back when it was a hot issue on the BWB and folks were screaming recall and a lot of other nasties, I was the one that suggested repeatedly that Buell just make a better one available as a performance part upgrade as it implied no liability for them. Am just terribly pleased and relieved that they finally did before I blew up or sold my X1. Same applies for the newest indestructible drive belt upgrade as that was the other issue that prevented me from venturing out on long solo trips to the boondocks which are what I love most about motorcycling. So it looks like the X1 is going in for a gear and belt upgrade and will be staying in my stable for a few more years. Yahoo!!! | ||
| Johnnyrfast |
How difficult would it be to replace this gear ? | ||
| Whodom |
Johnnyrfast: Check the threads in the Knowledge Vault for details. By the book, you have to pull both rocker covers and the side cover which makes it a pretty time consuming job. According to some, if you know how to do it, you can leave the rocker covers in place which would save a lot of time. | ||
| Reepicheep |
And also, the manual talks about dismantling the Deutsch connector on a wire going from the cam cover to the bike, which is a pain and requires special tools. You don't need to do that, or at least I did not on my tuber. I just suspended the cam cover nearby with a piece bungee cord so it did not stress the wire or connectors, and left it right there on the bike while I did my work. I was able to keep it out of the way without taking the wiring connector apart. I bet if you could get the cam cover off without letting the cams come with it, that is, you keep the cams in the bike instead of in the cover, you could do the whole job without pulling the rockerboxes. As it turned out, I had a defective cam anyway. Looks like it had a manufacturing defect from the factory. | ||
| Whodom |
Reepi, what would you estimate as your total time, going by the book? Also, this gear raises another question: nobody's reported gear problems on the XB's, but this new improved gear became standard on the 06 models. So, have there been ANY reports of gear problems on the XB's? (Message edited by whodom on July 26, 2005) | ||
| Reepicheep |
The ugly part was the rocker box pulls. You had to do both, which requires taking the tank off and battery out (have weld marks on the rocker box cover from where i skipped that step the first time I tried it). Probably an hour to get the oil pump off, the cam cover off, the crank nut off, and the new oil pump drive gear on, the crank nut back on and the oil pump back on. Then probably 45 minutes to pull both rocker box covers, slap the cams back in, and put the cam cover back on. Then probably another hour to put the rocker box covers back on. Longer if you have the old paper gaskets now glued on, baked, and hardened that need to be removed. | ||
| Al_lighton |
Why do you need to pull both rocker boxes? I think you can do it by pulling only one, then rotating the engine so that the other cylinder is at TDC on the compression stroke, replace the gear, then put the engine back to the right location for remounting the removed rocker box. Don't try it without removing one rocker box. Bad tiki. Al | ||
| Whodom |
I wonder if the new gear comes with installation instructions? It would be really nice to minimize the unncessary labor when installing it. | ||
| Reepicheep |
 Now you tell me Al! Doh! But why not do the same without removing either? The timing marks won't line up, but you ought to be able to work out where they should be, and would be easy enough to check before you get them right. Is the pressure from the pushrods too high to safely rest onto a cam with only one side supported? Does it mess up the bushings? | ||
| Whodom |
Reepi, I could see where the pressure of the valve train on the cams could hose up the cam bushings. I guess what Al is saying is that you turn the engine until you get one set of cams with the lifters on the cam heels, then loosen the rockers for the other cylinder to relieve the pressure on those cams. When we figure out the optimum method for this, it sure ought to go in the KV. |
