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Redtail69
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 02:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Whats up with the stock tires on the 12R? Man they're kinda squirely and sometimes give me an unsure footing in turns. I almost lost it today making a left turn at an intersection. Are there better tires that you guys can recommend?
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Fdl3
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 02:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Does a one-legged duck swim in a circle?

Just about any other brand tire is better than the stock Dunlops.
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Bonesbuell
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 02:39 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

First tinker with your suspension settings, a little goes a long way. Check your suspension settings compaired to your weight class in the rider's manual.
Describe your Primary riding environment.... twisties, highway cruisin, both. Turns out, I do more highway cruisin with the harley/chopper riders so I went with a touring type tire.
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Johnk3
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 02:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I LOVE the M-1 Sportec. These stick really well and give me a lot of confidence.
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M1combat
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 02:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Yeah... As bones said, set the suspension to your weight in the manual.

That will NOT cure the evil's that are D207's...

Put Metzeler Sportec M1's or Pirelli Diablo's on it. I've also heard good thing about the Pilot Power tires, but I've not tried them myself so I can't say.

The tires I mentioned will fix the stand up under braking while leaned over, they'll DRASTICALLY reduce effort on the bars to maintain lean angle and they work WORLDS better in the wet.
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Bonesbuell
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Tire pressure too, each time you go out! XB are amazing corning bikes. Not saying dunlops are #1, its just that you shouldn't be having these problems if the bike suspension is setup right.
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Edonis
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 02:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Indeed, as said above adjust your suspension for your weight and preferred riding enviroment. Secondly, any respective tire brand has a tire that will give you much better performance wether it be Metzler, Bridgestone, Pirelli, Michelin, etc.

Personally, I swear by Michelin Pilot Powers. After going from Dunlop 208's to P.P. 's I was amazed at the better handling, longer wear (not too much mind you, its still a sticky compound), wet performance, and much increased warm up time. It has a higher silica amount added to the compound much like what is done with the MotoGP tires.
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Redtail69
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 02:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think I'm gonna go with the Metzlers M1. They seem like really good tires. I used only Metzlers on my GSXR. Anybody tried the Metzler MEZ3s ?
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M1combat
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think the MEZ6 is out now and I've heard good things about those as well...
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Truk
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I use the metzler Z6 on the rear and Pilot sport front. As soon as Pilot Sport goes (should be soon)I am going with Metzler Sportec M1 on the front. I get good performance and mileage from M1 front and Z6 rear
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Rocketsprink
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 04:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Tell ya what, the Dunlops, when warm, are hard to beat. Problem is, riding on the street doesn't usually allow that. I picked up a set on Pilot Powers. Having them put on on the 11th. Heard nothing but good things about them.
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Stainlessmag
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 04:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Is there anybody who makes a tire with more of a sport touring compound in the center of the tread and something close to the stickyness of an M1 on the sides. That would be ideal. I love the way my M1s stick but i keep wearing the the center out of them on the rear, and would love to get some better milage but dont want to loose the cornering grip
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Midmofirebolt
Posted on Tuesday, July 05, 2005 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I think michelin is doing that on race tires, medium compound in the middle and soft on the sides. I would think that they would be expensive though.
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12r
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The Power Race is exactly that and yes they are expensive. Check out
http://two-wheels.michelin.com/2w/front/affich.jsp?codeRubrique=2092004103725&co dePage=2092004103725_24022005104059&lang=EN#
and be honest !
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Xring
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 11:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I didn't know how bad the stock tires were until I installed two Pirelli Scorpions Syncs. Everything M1 says about the other tires is true for the Syncs. It is like riding a different motorcycle.

Good luck,
Bill
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Madsx
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pirelli Scorpion Syncs

Love Em

(Message edited by madsx on July 06, 2005)
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Buellishxx
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 03:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

If the Dunlops are so bad (and I don't like mine), how did they become OEM equipment. Just because harley sells 400,000 or so bikes with Dunlops did buell not try out other manufacturers? Obviously they like the Pirelli as they are now stock on the cityx.

Of course the dealer still says that only dunlops should be used on my 12s, but I'm putting on Diablo's today. Hopefully they get more k's than the Dunlops. 3700 km's and toast! No burnouts, wheelies or stoppies, just fast highway traveling.
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Haulerdriver
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 03:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Has anyone had problems with the Dunlops chunking out or getting gouges in them? I have a large gouge out of the middle of my rear tire and can't tell ya why I can't recall hitting anything and haven't done any burnouts. One spot is down to the cords, so I have to replace a tire that still has some life left in it. I have 4K on the Dunlops and am just starting to see the wearbars. I plan on trying something different since a majority of my riding is to and from work and errands around town and a small portion in the twisties.
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Redtail69
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 05:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ok,
I called this motorcycle tire dealer and was told that to install the front tire they would have to remove the calipers and rotor and thus they would have to charge me an additional $60 on top of the installation and balancing charges. What the heck is that all about? Are they trying to rip me off?
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M1combat
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 06:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Apparently...

They shouldn't need to remove the rotor or the caliper. If they do it "right" then the wheel can be lifted, the fork lower will rotate so the caliper moves out, then lower the wheel out the bottom.

Tell them to be VERY careful while lifting the wheel/rotating the fork lower. It's pretty easy to end up scratching the spokes... I did.
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Buellerx
Posted on Wednesday, July 06, 2005 - 07:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Ditched my Dunlops for Pirelli Scorpion Syncs. Great tires. Like a whole different bike now.
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Diablobrian
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 01:38 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

The only reason Buell can get away with the Pirelli's on the city-X is because "Dunlop does not make a comparable tire and they allowed Buell to use the sync's. If memory serves.
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Cataract2
Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 01:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pirelli Scorpion Syncs

Love Em


Amen...
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Bbstacker
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Stainlessmag, I'm running the Bridgestone Battleax BT-014s. Great sport-touring tire. Hard center and soft shoulders. Haven't tried wet performance yet. Guess I have to wait till next Winter.
They are a tad cold-blooded, but the warm-up time isn't much longer.
Slow down your rear rebound 1 click to compensate for the firmer center tread if you do a lot of riding on stuttery surfaces like the slip-form concrete freeways that SoCal has in abundance.
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Dbird29
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Hell's bells!
My front Sync has a puncture right in the center of the tread. This puncture thing is a real bummer. I have yet to hit end of life tread wear. I like the rounder Sync profile vs the Dunlops. I will keep the Syncs unless my tire dealer talks me into something more tour oriented.
DBird
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Wammy
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 03:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Albeit, I'm a new Bueller...
But the best fix for the D207's in my opinion is,
If the bike is new.
1.Break in bike/ motor
2.Smoke tire till it cries for mercy ( don't let up, it's self preservation tactics)
3.go to your nearest M /C shop or on line order PP or the Metz.
Problem solved in 3 easy to follow steps.
Even an rice-rider can understand
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Fulgur
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 04:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am going to try out a set of Avon Azaroes soon and Ill let everyone know what they are like. I do a lot of motorway commuting so it Avons are no good I'll try out the battleaxes next. One thing on the standard rubbers, I got into a fast low bend the other day outdoing an Aprilia Milli and the bend tightend up on me, bit of a wobble as I pansed myself for a split second but once the brain kicked in I just lay it right down and the bike and tires held real good. it was warm and dry though.
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Dbird29
Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 05:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I am swtiching my front to a Michelin Pilot Road as that is what is in stock.
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Mesafirebolt
Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 02:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I never realized my new bike's tires werent ballanced. Although I never felt a noticable vibration even up to 140 indicated. The Tire shop mechanic made sure he told me niether tire had weights and he only had to add an ounce to ballance then new rear. Anyone???
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Kootenay
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 02:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

My stock Dunlops are about done for, after 4,000 km. Interestingly, both front and rear are gone. The rear is scrubbed side to side, but wear bars are showing in the middle. The front, however, still has lots of tread in the center--but it has worn into a strange triangular cross-section, after cupping badly on either side--now there is not much tread left there.

These tires do not inspire a whole lot of confidence--however, I have a set of Diablos in the garage to throw on, soon!
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Moe03xb
Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I second the Syncs. Signguy12s and I went on a long ride yesterday which included a bunch of rain along with some sand in the roads. They flat stuck to the road. I was even able to pull it up in second in the rain. They do roostertail worse than the dunlops though. I was very impressed with their wet handling capabilities. Good prices too.
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