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Vonsliek
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 01:43 am: | 
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i had a 383 plymouth fury - pillarless (australian edition, so maybe diff name in usa ..) w/ MARINE carpetting!!??! 
burnt out nice & good .. took motor, worked it up & put it in an a-body .. nice!  |
M2nc
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 02:48 am: |
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Well since I followed a Blast to a top end run of 89mph, then I guess all Buells can't top 100mph, right Dyna. There is a little difference between you buddy's 150hp 318, and earlier 400ci 4bbl dobies. The clue was "Big Blocks." |
Natexlh1000
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 05:43 am: |
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My first car was 1975 Olds delta 88. it had a 100 mile speedo.
I used to be able to make the needle go away.
The pivot point was below a panel in the dash so that 3:00 would make the needle hide. |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 08:29 am: |
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Carlos, many of the Cordobas came with the 400's & that motor really made no difference in that pig of a car. You want to continue to believe that a stock one can do 150 mph be my guest. I will not stop anyone from being delusional.
BTW, why not do a search topic on aerodynamics & wind drag? Figure out just what the frontal area of the pig chrysler was & then figure out how much HP & gearing it would take to push it past the 130 mph mark much less 150. It takes a lot of work to get a Buell up to an honest 150 yet a stock 70's smogmobile is supposedly some sort of supercar???????????
Have a great day, enjoy the ride.
(Message edited by dynarider on July 07, 2005) |
BadS1
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 08:33 am: |
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My Dad had a Cordoba,1980 Slant six.Really reliable. Speedo read 85mph.You had to sit back and read book to pass the time before it would reach the indicated 85mph. |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 08:43 am: |
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As one would expect, the Cordoba had many engine options - pretty much every contemporary V-8 was available, from the 318 up to the 400. The base engine was the 318 V-8 with Lean Burn system coupled with a TorqueFlite automatic, which did not exactly make the 3,895 lb car a hot performer. Like the nearly-identical Charger SE, it could also be ordered with a four-barrel 360 or 400 cid V-8 (with two or four barrel carburetors). Performance wasn't bad for the time, but would be frowned on today - the 400 did 0-60 in about 12 seconds. On the lighter side, strong torque meant instant acceleration once at speed.
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Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 08:46 am: |
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Chrysler themselves rated the car at a max of 169kmph which is about 105mph. |
Daves
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 09:38 am: |
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I've been 150+ in a Charger but it had a 426 Hemi in it that had been worked on quite bit.
I think it's the 10/10 rule.
For every 10 years, your old cars/bikes get 10 mph faster
Of course in this case it would be the 20/40 rule! |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 09:51 am: |
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20/40 sounds about right in this case |
Riderx09
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 05:22 pm: |
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my mommies 05 v-6 mustang shuts off at about 115-coulda went alot faster- i'd be dead if she found out haha |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 06:38 pm: |
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That V-6 will run circles around the old boatanchor Chrysler. |
BadS1
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 08:00 pm: |
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Dyna my Dads was the next body style and the slant six was the base then.It looked kinda like this.
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Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 08:36 pm: |
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my Dads was the next body style
EEEEEEEKKKK!!! Its a K-car...run!!!!!!!!!!!! |
BadS1
| | Posted on Thursday, July 07, 2005 - 10:11 pm: |
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Damn close.That thing was slow my 81 chevette that I used for a winter beater could almost whip its a$$. |
M2nc
| | Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 12:16 am: |
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Dyna, no imagination. Remove the smog stuff and lean burn computer (maybe two hours worth of work) and increase your HP. Earlier (Pre-Smog) 400ci were rated a 245hp net. This was done on this car. Now with a 264 gear, it was no dragster, my 75 Dobie with a 71 360 2 bbl, was faster through the quarter mile than Dave's. My Dobie would hit the 1/4 mile in mid-15s but topped out well short of 150, but way better than 105mph. Now it had a 300+ rear gear.
Dave's Dobie was a 400 4bbl, with smog stuff removed. 6.6L (400ci) Trans Ams of the day were also rated at 245hp and were tested at top speeds of 145mph with 300+ gear. Trans Ams of the day were 4000+lbs cars. Newer example, Impala SS 94-96 with a 350ci rated at 260hp. It was tested at over 150mph top speed, curb weight 4200lbs. Come on guys, do a little homework.
The rest of the story. Both guys named Dave, both friends of mine, and we were going from a party to a local Denny's for a late Breakfast. Dave on the Goldwing followed us down an entrance ramp and when cleared, he hit it and flew passed us. Dave in the Dobie was giving all it had but at lower speeds it was no match for the Goldwing. The Goldwing pulled a good lead until the speeds hit into the gear selector range. Hey, I was riding shot gun, so I could watch. As the speedo started to point straight down, the Goldwing quit pulling away. Soon the Dobie started to reel in the Goldwing. Within a mile of the entrance ramp, the Dobie caught the Goldwing at full sprint and flew past it. When Dave in the Dobie let up, the Goldwing was far behind. When we reached Denny's, Dave on the Goldwing said he topped out at 143mph on his speedo. Now Reep can measure that actual distance, but the entire event happen on I-275 between Reed Hart Hwy Entrance ramp and St Rt 42 Exit ramp. Now maybe I have over estimated top speed, of 150 to 155mph, but the entire event happened within one to two miles. To run down a Bike in that short of distance, you have to be moving allot faster. According to the Speedo of the Dobie, it was reading 25mph for the second time.
The next time I saw the dobie at speed, we were following a Vette. Dave was following him down the interstate and when the vette pulled off the interstate to get gas we followed. The driver stated that his Vette speedo was reading over 150mph. The Dobie was not topped out.
I'm a little suprised that you would expect a machine to remain totally stock considering the amount of verbage on this site to improve performance of Buells. If you played with you Dad's slant six, who knows. A guy we cruised with had a 60s Mustang with a 290ci straight six (yes the truck motor) with dual four bbl carburetors that stuck out the hood (Off to one side). That six cylinder mustang would run 12s in the quarter. |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 06:17 am: |
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Throw a jet engine in that car & it would still have a hard time hitting 150. |
BadS1
| | Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 07:51 am: |
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Why would I want to play with that 6 cylinder for.I had a 68 Olds 442 at the time. |
Spike
| | Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 08:35 am: |
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quote:Throw a jet engine in that car & it would still have a hard time hitting 150.
Denial is not just a river in Egypt. |
Xring
| | Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 08:43 am: |
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I had a '77 Cordoba with 400. The Lean Burn had been removed and a little 4-bbl had been installed. Never did idle right and had a low speed miss. Also had the mid-2.00 series gears. When I got it the rear springs had sagged down a few inches, so I did what any struggling college student would do; I cranked the front torsion bars down to match. Now I had a low rider. Black exterior with factory aluminum wheels; rich Corinthian leather interior. Ran pretty good on top end, but I don't think it would have gone over 120.
I bought the Cordoba because my 340 Volare/Road Runner had cracked a head. That little F-body had some top end. 2.73 gears, running a .030 over 340 with 284/484 DC cam, headers and 700 Holley. When I replaced the (2nd) 904 tranny with a 727, the speedo wouldn't hook up, so I never knew just how fast it would go. It was a little scary with 1/4 turn of slack in the steering...
Thank goodness I lived through those days.
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Djkaplan
| | Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 08:51 am: |
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I firmly believe that M2nc thinks what he's saying is true. But no way that car went 150.
I'm more surprised no one jumped on the 143mph Goldwing remark. |
Buells Rule!
(Dyna in disguise)
| | Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 02:33 pm: |
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Goldwings can be some pretty fast bikes, but I honestly have no idea what the top end of 1 is. I know a buddy of mine had a 1995 or 96 model & he was able to match top speed with a certain X1. |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 03:08 pm: |
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christmas break 1986, ran salem oregon to anchorage alaska in 52 hours. route through canada was mostly ice, temps between -10 and -50 fahrenheit. average speed on road 120mph. we ditched 3 times, fueled every 2 hours or so. once i tunnelled into snow, went off the road at 110 mph, snow was 6 feet deep, we trenched about 100 yards off the road, had to dig our way out the window, doors were 3 feet below the snow pack. took a LOOONNNNNG chain to pull us out.
oh, forgot to say it was an 80's cordoba, with police dashboard instruments, and an utterly gutless 360 4 barrel motor. it would INDICATE 140, after a while, and would maintain that INDICATED speed for 20 minutes or so, between cuvres. i dont really think the speedo was very accurate, i doubt that pig would really do much over 125. we did operate at wide open throttle for over 50 % of our 52 hour adventure.
when we backed off to 85 or 90 to "coast " through towns, it seemed really slow. |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 03:16 pm: |
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more recently flogged a rented Buick from houston TX to eastern Maryland, 26 hours. had wife and kid, so we took it pretty easy, frequent meal breaks. average road speed on the interstates was around 85. pretty much just keeping up with the truck traffic in the right lane. pulled over briefly in virginia on return trip, trooper thought he'd bagged a Texan (rental) he had a BIG old grin when he swaggered up, asked for the usuals..... completely lost his big dog 'tude when he saw my alaska license.
he just wanted to talk about alaska. " what do you folks DO in alaska?" etc. gave us a "warning" seeya. |
M2nc
| | Posted on Friday, July 08, 2005 - 11:34 pm: |
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Fullpower, you would know how fast you were going, but if it truly had the police speedo, and 140 mph would be correct, it also stated it was certified. To say, it was more accurate the an average speedo. If the tires were the wrong size or the gear changed, you can forget that. Chrysler police cars with E58 360 would have such tall gears, 240s to 260s, that at slower speeds they would not impress anyone. The thing is that the car was geared for top speed.
Dave and I tested drove a 72 Plymouth Fury Police Car. This thing had a 242 gear. Even with a 440 it was not that impressive to 50mph. Then I noticed I was still in first gear. At about that point though, the back of the seat started pushing into my back hard. It finally shifted into second between 70 & 75mph with a bark from the tires. Now it was on, the car spent less time in second than it did in first. It bark the tires again at over 130 indicated. Realizing that I was not on a road long enough for those speeds, I lifted but it still almost reached 140mph on the speedo. Quite fast once it got going. |
Steve_mackay
| | Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 03:14 pm: |
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"Newer example, Impala SS 94-96 with a 350ci rated at 260hp. It was tested at over 150mph top speed, curb weight 4200lbs. Come on guys, do a little homework. "
"rated" 260HP, sure... But the LT1s have a tad bit more than that IIRC. And also compare aerodynamics of the Impala to the brick of the older cars.
the top speed of those is 142MPH. 150MPH is a bit optimistic. And the 142Mph was drag related. Just think about about it for moment.
I had a '72 Malibu with a 415CI Big Block(402, bore .06" over), approximately 350-400HP. I doubt that car could see over 150 with it's aerodynamics.
It's not just about HP and weight when you start gettin' in to the top speeds. |
Jackbequick
| | Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 03:23 pm: |
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Dave and I tested drove a 72 Plymouth Fury Police Car...
The big block Mopars were about torque and reasonable HP at moderate (not high) RPM. They would not snap your neck like a SBC but they would keep you pinned to the seat. And they would do it for years into a transmission (the 727) that would take it. There is a parallel of sorts between the H-D engined Buells and Mopars. Loveable dinosaurs and a lot of fun to drive.
Jack |
Fullpower
| | Posted on Saturday, July 09, 2005 - 05:03 pm: |
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Have a friend in North Pole, has a tubbed 69 charger, narrowed dana 60 4.56 gears, manual valve bodied 727, a 500 cubic inch mopar performance crate motor, running aluminum wedge heads with 12 to one compression. 15 inch wrinkle wall slicks, battery and fuel cell in trunk. whole car weighs 2800 pounds, street legal and will pull front wheels off the ground going into second gear. he shifts at 7200 rpm. he runs it on the street, but fuel economy is an issue, so not really a commuter rig. |
Joele
| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 02:08 am: |
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My "other" Buell is pretty fast.....
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Crazyhorse
| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 08:07 am: |
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165 |
Xb9ser
| | Posted on Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 08:28 pm: |
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I have a 67 firebird with a 427 chevy 4 speed and 2.56 gears. from a standing start. It will run 142.180 in a mile, barely in 4th gear, 139 in 3rd, 85 in first,shifting at 6000 rpm.I currently hold 3 land speed records from east Coast timeing assoc. in Maxton NC.ECTA-lsr.com. The fastest vehicle running down there is a turbo busa at 256 plus.Driveing on street the car allways seemed faster but timing traps dont lie. |
M2nc
| | Posted on Saturday, July 16, 2005 - 10:13 pm: |
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O.K., AydenXB9 here, I've highjacked Carlos' computer here.
Believe what you want, but being the owner and driver of that car, I'm here to tell you that yes it passed the Wing at speed, that yes, the speedo was reading 25 mph for the second time.
Now semantics aside, whether the car was doing a buck sixty I can't say for sure, but I did pass the Honda at a pretty good clip. Even pessimistically, the car was doing every bit of a buck-thirty.
Say that's not possible? Carlos has given many examples of large, brick-like cars that can reach high speeds. The combination in that 'Doba as an example, a fairly large displacement, long stroke, engine with pretty good ability to breath, coupled to a rear end with fairly tall gearing and tires allowed the car to reach pretty high speeds.
The car in question was equipped as such:
400/4 bbl, 727 lock-up t. converter) auto, 8&1/4 Spicer rear end with 2.45 to 1 ratio rear end (open). What I knew of the car's performance was that it was a deadly consistent all be it slow 17.60 sec. @ 80 mph car with mid 2.50 sixty foot times. The car would shift from 1st to second at the eighth mile mark and run through the traps still in second gear.
The car was a true SS22 which meant in Cordoba terms, it was the "high performance" version, the "SE". It had bigger brakes, larger front sway bar, a rear sway bar, heavier shocks, and wider wheels in addition to having higher shift points programmed into the the transmission. The only modification I did to it was to defeat the Lean Burn and install an MP electronic igniton kit and fit an older model Thermoquad carb it. These cars had capability an indeed would do it. The B-body based police pursuit package cars of the same era, the Plymouth Fury and Dodge Monaco were documented to run those speeds with light bars on their roofs and the hardware under them were exactly the same as what was put under the SS22 Chryslers and XS22 Dodges(Charger/Magnum) save for different front torsion bars.
I know it sounds like a big fish story, but it is true. I'm not some crank, but someone who has been building and racing cars for the last 20 years. Most cars can be coaxed pretty easily to go faster (as opposed to quicker). Quicker is where the money is spent and quicker is what everyone equates to faster, but it's not. one of my recent cars, a '66 Coronet with a 400 hp + 440 would cover the 1/4 mile in 11.9 seconds with reasonable street gearing and short tires, but it would top out at about 115 miles per hour. Was it fast, or was it quick?
Want an XB to go 160 mph? It's go enough horse power but it's geared wrong to go faster. Gear it taller and it would go faster. It would be a pig at lower speeds, being beat probably by even Fat Bastard on a Fat Boy but it would go a bunch faster. |
M2nc
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Steve, Take the Impala's top speed up with the guys at Car & Driver, I wasn't there, but I trust they have a little more experience than we do.
Top speed is a game of many forces. But know this, for many years, the fastest clocked production car was a 70 Superbird. A NASCAR driver at the time took a stock 70 Superbird with a 440-4bbl rated a 375hp, 3-speed auto and 212 gear and broke 200mph at the salt flats. Two things to keep in mind here. The Superbird had two other engines with more HP available that year 440-6bbl - 390hp and 426 Hemi-425hp. The other thing, a Superbird is a B-body, just like a Cordoba, the 400 & 440 are cousins, and the 3-speed tranny was the same as in Dave's car, 375hp rating was gross, probably 310-330hp net using present rating system. Guys the information is out there, you just have to do your homework. |
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