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     Interex2050 |
My Dunlop 207s are reaching their end... I have the 12R, it is my daily commuter and I also enjoy a nice spirited ride through the canyons (I live in Los Angeles and the canyons are 5 miles away). At 1753 miles the front tire is reaching the wear marks and the rear has probably about a millimeter away from the wear marks. I am looking into getting a new set of tires (at the moment I am leaning toward the Pirelli Diablo Corsas) something that has nice stick as during the summer I will do a lot more canyon riding and less commuting. I would like to know what everyone thinks of the Corsas, also how long did the stock tires last and how long did the corsas last. If there are any other suggestions regarding other tires, please inform me. I have also noticed that most people have their rear tire give out before the front, and I am wondering why in my case its the other way around. Thanks Peter | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
The 207's tend to wear together, so what your saying is about right for the front wearing out. You will really like the Pirelli's, both in the wet and dry. Another tire I have been hearing very good things about are the Michelin Pilot Powers. | ||
| Rocketsprink |
I just picked up a set of Pilot Powers and can't wait to try them out. | ||
| Rocketman |
I'm currently running Dragon Evo's on my 916 and I'm staggered by the mileage I've put on them never mind the handling. Especially the rear. Now as I've said before on the tyre subject I'm not one of these who believes one tyre is so much better than another when it comes to road riding. I mean come on. How do you actually tell for sure? They're all good unless they're that bad it's easy to feel a difference. But the Evo is the first time in years I've really noticed an incredible difference in handling. It sticks like shite to an old army blanket! As for the Diablo Corsa I just fitted a 'take off' which is little more than half worn to the rear of my S1W and I'm not impressed by the way that it's lasting. It's getting eaten up quick and I'm only running the S1W in! To be fair I'm not thrashing the Buell at all so it wouldn't be easy to offer a handling report based on high speed capability of the rear tyre but I've encountered nothing but good feel and grip thus far. But then one would expect that riding to a max of 3000rpm! I don't know what silica's or compounds are different between the two Pirelli's but the Diablo feels so much softer to touch than the Evo yet the Evo is the more sports \ track orientated tyre. In fact the Diablo feels strangely more rubber like than the Evo but not in a way that's easy to write down about. And no I don't know what that means. Weird!! My assumption would be that the Evo has some hard wearing silica present and the Corsa, also a very soft compound sports tyre that offers no wear compromise as such, does not offer similar silicas. Yes it's a soft feeling tyre and certainly orientated towards performance rather than sports \ touring and at the expense of longevity it seems but maybe it's 'old school' now especially next to an Evo. So it could be that it's fair to assume the Evo is the more dedicated sports bike tyre of choice and technology has advanced to give it a compound capable of offering some harder wearing capability than previously offered by similar yet older compounds of Pirelli. So to conclude. As far as I'm aware the Dragon Evo is a more recent design tyre than the Diablo Corsa and that may offer an explanation as to why the more superior I believe Evo is longer lasting yet still moe capable it seems. End of the day they're both great tyres and I wouldn't offer any criticism against either's handling performances but do remember the power pulses of big V twins, especially torque monsters like Buells, have a habit of tearing up rear tyres. Rocket | ||
| Interex2050 |
I am having difficulties locating the pirelli dragon evos in the US. Nor can i locate it on the pirelli web-site. Where may I be able to find them? Also... Rocketman From my experience with tires on the Buell (as noted above) my front tire wears before the rear... Rocketsprink The only concern that I have about the pilots is that the profile is so extreme, as well as that I have heard a few people mention that it tends to loose grip under hard cornering. Have you experience any of this? (One of my riding buddies actually swears by the pilots, but then he has a triumph daytona 955 [I think thats the model of triumph that he has]) Thank you for everyone help so far Peter | ||
| 12r |
Your 207s are toast after 1700 miles ? Sheesh ! The Corsa has a mild trackday bias and a slightly different compound compared to the std Diablos which means better (ultimate) grip but lower mileage and longer warm-up times. Predictably, the Corsa gets chewed up quicker than the std Diablo but there's not much in it. I've done 2k on Pilot Power and have to report they are freakin-A ! | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
The Dragon Evos are not available to the US market. The only concern that I have about the pilots is that the profile is so extreme, as well as that I have heard a few people mention that it tends to loose grip under hard cornering. The profile of the Pilots is the same as on the Diablos. Both are race oriented tires running race oriented profiles. I have heard the comment about the Pilots before, it was not in regards to the Pilot Powers, but the Pilot track day tire after a weekend of track school. He just couldn't seem to get enough heat into the tire for it to stick liek it had when he was running it on the track. | ||
| Mrmoo |
Hated my Dunlops !! but now have Diablos Corsas on my 12s, they are awesome, only done 600miles approx so far, but have used them before on a KTM supermoto rear lasted approx 2500miles. | ||
| Nutsosane |
I'm also using the pilot power for the rear of my 12s. I'll be purchasing the front pretty soon here also. My 207 only lasted 1600 miles and did not have enough tread left to pass state inspection, so dunlops have been unimpressive to say the least. That pilot power gives confidence the dunlop never did. | ||
| Spatten1 |
I've got a Pilot Power on my front and a Dunlop 208 on the rear. Both worked fine for me on track day. From what I've heard, if you are racer fast the Dunlop will cook after a few heat cycles, turn blue, and get slippery. For me, I was hard on the gas coming out of the corners, used the entire tire, and had no problems. The difference is I'm not hanging off as far as an expert rider, and they can put much more speed and heat on the tire at the same lean angle. | ||
| Bake |
I ordered the corsa for my rear replacment, hope it gets here soon. | ||
| Chaconas |
Peter,the "diablo corsa" is a great canyon/track day tire.I live in L.A. too,and between Angeles Crest and the canyons off of PCH I would get 2k-2.2k miles per set.For less cash and longer life you may consider the straight"corsa".You'll be amazed at the performance compared to the 207s,and depending on your riding style you could get 3k-3.5k plus miles per set. | ||
| Bonesbuell |
http://www.partsmag.com/0306/0306-pdf/Pirelli-editorial.pdf | ||
| Gentleman_jon |
As tire technology progresses, there is a new element in the mix: sport touring tires that are as grippy as sport tires, but with longer life. Examples announced, and currently in stock, or about to be are: Continental Road Attacks, Pirelli Diablo Strada, and Michelin Pilot Roads. Not sure if I would use these for track days, although for the speed I ride they probably would do the trick. My friend Peter put some Conti Road Attacks on his Triumph ST. He likes them much better than Dunlop 208's he took off. He says they were great on the street, and I had a hard time keeping up with him in the twisties. I am beginning to thing that sticky buns like the Pirellis Diablos, Michelin Pilot Powers etc, have really more grip than any one will ever use on the street, unless you have some really fast and long twisties available with light law enforcement. Of course, expert class track day folks and racers will want, and will make use of, the sticky rubber. I think I will try the Michelin Pilot Roads the next time. Combine that with the new high mileage Mobil one, and I can see one maintenance day per 6000 mile year on my XB9S to change tires, oil and a belt every two years. Not bad. | ||
| Telewoodski |
I have never been to a race track, but I can push it pretty hard on the twisty's in my back yard canyon. The Dunlops ran out at 3500, and I got a set of the Pilot Roads. I wanted a long lasting tread, with enough performance to keep me smiling. I also do a lot of riding on dirt roads, getting to the fishing hole, so I wanted something with some lugs on it. The day I put the Pilots on I put 140 miles on to scruff them in. The next day I went out on my "test" course  , and was instanley blown away with how deep and hard I could corner. As a sport touring tire I don't think I will ever push the Pilot Roads beyond their limits. I didn't replace the front at the time, they still had some wear on um, but now that is gone and I find myself with a vague feeling on the front end. Can't wait to put the Pilot Road's up front and give that a test. I did pick up some more dirt traction with the tread design of the Pilots. All in all I like the tire and the broader range of roles the tire can handle. | ||
| Tpoppa |
Metz Z6's are great tires. They are sport touring tires, and easily outhandle the stock 207's that came on my XB9S. Z6's have a much quicker turn in with good high speed stability...and they last MUCH longer. One note about the Z6 rear, it has a slightly taller profile than the 207, you may need to decrease rear preload by 1 click, to compensate. This is what I have seen: 207 rear 2,700 miles (500 easy breakin miles) 207 front 4,500 miles 1st Z6 rear 5,000 2nd Z6 rear 4,000 so far, probably another 1,500 remaining Z6 front 7,500 so far, probably another 3000 remaining. One other thing, I would guess that the 'S' is tougher on rear tires than the 'R' due to more of the rider's weight being on the rear tire. | ||
| Truk |
I run the Metzler Sport Touring Z6 rear and Sport M1 front on my R1. Currently I have Z6 rear with Pilot Sport front on the XB9R. The only reason i am running Pilot Sport front is caused i had it left over and it still had mileage on it. When it goes I am switching to M1 front. I too have found I get great mileage out of the metzler Z6 rear and it handles great. Softer Sport tire front keeps me planted. On my R1 i have been getting about 5,000 miles out of the Z6 while with most everything else I tried on the R1 I got about 2,000-2,500. Will be interested to see what the Buell does with the z6. I hope I can get close to 5,000. On the OEM Dunlop rear I got 1,800. Put Dunlop Sport Touring 205 on the rear and got 2,200. | ||
| Spatten1 |
"I am beginning to thing that sticky buns like the Pirellis Diablos, Michelin Pilot Powers etc, have really more grip than any one will ever use on the street, unless you have some really fast and long twisties available with light law enforcement."  | ||
| Rocketman |
Ok I made a bit of a kock-up last night but it was late (read - very early hours of the morn) and I was tired so please read this again. I'm currently running Super Corsa's on my 916 and I'm staggered by the mileage I've put on them never mind the handling. Especially the rear. Now as I've said before on the tyre subject I'm not one of these who believes one tyre is so much better than another when it comes to road riding. I mean come on. How do you actually tell for sure? They're all good unless they're that bad it's easy to feel a difference. But the Super Corsa is the first time in years I've really noticed an incredible difference in handling. It sticks like shite to an old army blanket! As for the Dragon Evo I just fitted a 'take off' which is little more than half worn to the rear of my S1W and I'm not impressed by the way that it's lasting. It's getting eaten up quick and I'm only running the S1W in! To be fair I'm not thrashing the Buell at all so it wouldn't be easy to offer a handling report based on high speed capability of the rear tyre but I've encountered nothing but good feel and grip thus far. But then one would expect that riding to a max of 3000rpm! I don't know what silica's or compounds are different between the two Pirelli's but the Evo feels so much softer to touch than the Super Corsa yet the Super Corsa is the more sports \ track orientated tyre. In fact the Evo feels strangely more rubber like than the Super Corsa but not in a way that's easy to write down about. And no I don't know what that means. Weird!! My assumption would be that the Super Corsa has some hard wearing silica present and the Evo, also a very soft compound sports tyre that offers no wear compromise as such, does not offer similar silicas. Yes it's a soft feeling tyre and certainly orientated towards performance rather than sports \ touring and at the expense of longevity it seems but maybe it's 'old school' now especially next to a Super Corsa. So it could be that it's fair to assume the Super Corsa is the more dedicated sports bike tyre of choice and technology has advanced to give it a compound capable of offering some harder wearing capability than previously offered by similar yet older compounds of Pirelli. So to conclude. As far as I'm aware the Super Corsa is a more recent design tyre than the Dragon Evo and that may offer an explanation as to why the more superior I believe Super Corsa is longer lasting yet still more capable it seems. End of the day they're both great tyres and I wouldn't offer any criticism against either's handling performances but do remember the power pulses of big V twins, especially torque monsters like Buells, have a habit of tearing up rear tyres. sorry for the confusion I just got it arse about face. Ie, the wrong tyres on the wrong bikes! Other than that I don't think I've mislead anyone I hope. Rocket | ||
| Buellgirlie |
i just had the pirelli scorpions (the stock tire on the cityX) put on today, and went for an afternoon of riding. so far, i am pretty impressed - though i was upgrading from a set of stockers that i ran ragged at 4300 miles (literally, with cords showing through...) not sure if it was the improvement in handling, or that the scorpions are really that good. but i think they handle great, were readily available at the harley dealership, and make the bike look a touch "meaner" too  | ||
| Ortegakid |
Buy some take off supercorsa's from e-bay, s1 front, s2 rear, 120/180,and you'll be blown away how good they are,even worn out they are the best tyre I've ever ridden on! |
