| Author | Message | ||
     Ryker77 |
when you connect to the bike. Does the software read- product name VDO Standard Buell or does it read VDO-EFI STANDARD? I'm having no luck connecting to the bike and not much help from techno. | ||
| Phantom5oh |
I had a similar problem, seems the Dongle is a finicky creature, check out my post from a few days ago where the same thing was an issue. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/32777/123038.html?1119551903 | ||
| Fullpower |
it IS a bit frustrating, Call Giambertto, he is very helpful, and patient too. | ||
| Ejiii |
Being the owner of the Technoresearch/Buell software package and having worked with advanced automotive scan tools like the Vetronix Mastertech, DaimlerChrysler DRB and the old and new Honda Diagnostic System (HDS), I can tell you the Technoresearch setup leaves a lot to be desired. It's really only good for resetting the TPS/AFV and as a tach. It's not a good value but it's the only game in town. | ||
| Ryker77 |
WOW.. thats honest! | ||
| Blake |
I think he meant "an owner" as in "customer." | ||
| Ejiii |
That is correct. I am the owner of the software not the company. I paid $285 for the latest and greatest version. You can buy a $150 OBDII compliant automotive scan tool at the auto parts store that has 10x the functionality of the Technoresearch product. It's kind of a bummer but we are a captive audience. | ||
| Gjmcmanus |
I totally agree with Ejiii, you can get more information out of OBD-1 than you can out of technoresearch package. I am not knocking the product, it is the best currently on the market (or available to us). | ||
| Sammigs |
What scan tool did you use on your Buell to look at the data stream (not to mention reset the TPS/AFV) before the TechnoResearch software became available?  | ||
| Daves |
I wonder what the market potential difference is between a software package for cars and Buell is? | ||
| Ryker77 |
All I can say is shame on Buell for putting such a system on the bike. Could/should have worked with componets that the aftermarket (car) could have made or adapted a scanner to work. The FI system uses many of the same automotive parts. I wonder how the Buell and HD market will withstand the fact that the rider has to pay 70.00 per hour to trace down bad sensors. I doubt the future will hold repeat customers. The might still ride a v-twin just not one made with all the electrical BS. No matter what the market is or what other choices there are. A 300.00 product sold by a Harley Dealership should work or at the very least the buyer should be made aware of potential problems! Dave did you get my previous emails? I think I want a refund on the software. | ||
| Gjmcmanus |
I asked my Snap-on guy if there was any software available for motorcycles. He said "not that I know of, but I will check into it." I figured since I paid close to $8000.00  for mine, it would be nice to be able to use it for my Buell.  MODIS, Modular Diagnostic Information System BTW.. for you who are not mechanics(and those "old school mechanics" ), with todays new cars this is worth the investment. Maybe if Snap-on doesn't come out with it (or have it), Technoresearch can come out with a program for it. The MODIS has plenty of connectivity and ports, and should be able connect to a Buell... (Message edited by gjmcmanus on June 25, 2005) | ||
| Ryker77 |
8000.00! I can buy a pretty nice car for that much money. But I agree that scan software is the key to working on new cars. I use VAGCOM for both of my diesel VW cars. It cost 300.00 but it has a huge operating manual, tons of how to do instructions, and it WORKED the first time and every time after that. | ||
| Gjmcmanus |
Yeah, luckily Snap-on has a nice payment plan that made it easier to buy. Plus, the time it saves me troubleshooting newer cars is worth every penny. | ||
| Ejiii |
The thing that is a shame is Technoresearch for spending all the time and effort required to develop a software package that is clumsy at best and has bugs and limited functionality. There were plenty of scan tools and software products in the market place they could have looked at to get an idea of what was going on. The MODIS and other systems I mentioned in an earlier post are "real" systems. Lot's of development, functionality etc. | ||
| Sammigs |
Question: How much information do you need to fix this fuel injection system? I have used and continue to use the TechnoResearch software. 1) It filled the huge void of not being able to see any of the data stream or reset the TPS. 2) They offer it in a software package to keep the cost down. I pay for every update on my automotive scan tool and at times the card needs to be shipped to Vetronix. (How much would it cost me to purchase a scanalyzer, if H-D will even sell me one?) I have heard huge numbers on this one! To sum it up software updates are fast, free (so far) and reversible. 3) A Buell tech can maybe answer this... How much more info can you obtain with a H-D scan tool compared to the TechnoResearch for the Buell line only? Bottom line: The information received from any scan tool is only as good as the tech reading it. This holds true for every scan tool no matter how much it sells for. If your having trouble connecting to your bike then I would suggest solving that condition first. The software does work and provides enough information, along with the service manual, to fix this fuel injection system.  Give Sandro or Giamberto a call. They will resolve your problem. Crap, I just twisted my ankle jumping off my soap box! | ||
| Gjmcmanus |
I agree with Sammings a scan tool is only as good as the tech using it. No way was I knocking TechnoResearch software. It does fill a gap. As far as working on Buell F.I. it is excellent for the price and support. I am curious to see what data was available in the data stream of Buells (ie via H-D scan tool). | ||
| Izzinya |
try ebay http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=4557689991&ca tegory=43989&sspagename=WDVW there is one right here and no its not from me alot of dealerships are getting rid of theirs due to digital tech im not letting go of ours !!! its more portable (mabey not as much diagnostic stuff compared to digital tech) you realy cant beat digital tech but the scanalyzer is prety good izzinya (Message edited by izzinya on June 26, 2005) | ||
| Ingemar |
Unless I was misinformed, the scanalizer doesn't work on our XB's and you would need the digi-tech ... | ||
| Bud |
scanalizer works on xb's 9's perhaps not the 2005 models ? not sure for the xb12's i think the work but not completely | ||
| Izzinya |
you need a special BUELL only cord and carterage for the scanalyzer to work on ANY buell izzinya | ||
| Ejiii |
It's true, a scan tool is only as good as the tech using it. The same can be said about a Ducati 999R, it's only as good as the rider. You can't compare the value between a $300 software package and a scan tool like a MODIS because for the $8000 price of the MODIS you get a whole bunch of hardware along with it. Besides the unit itself you are getting charging cradles, wireless hardware, bar code readers, o-scope lead sets, etc. If you look at the Technoresearch software functionality plus the cost of a laptop to run it all of a sudden, at least in my opinion, it dosen't look so good. If you are an experienced tech who has used scan tools in the past you will mostly be able to figure it out. Then you can spend the time calling Sando to get it debugged. For the average Buell owner who hasen't had that experience it can be very frustrating. The software documentation is weak at best and really isn't any help. An interesting twist is what you are told you will see on the scan tool according to the shop manual is different than what you will see using the Technoresearch software because the shop manual procedure was developed using the Data Tech. How about having to reestablish communication between the laptop/software and the ECM each time you leave "active tests" to go back to the main data screen (can’t remember the name). Why isn’t communication maintained through all modes? Anyway, it is what it is. I think I will download the latest version and see if anything is new. | ||
| Hogs |
HEy Ejiii, I know where you are coming from, Its just about the same with the TFI,with regards to all of the above..! | ||
| Daves |
No problem Ryker, send it back and I'll refund your money. I had already emailed you on Friday or Sat saying I would. No hard feelings? | ||
| Sammigs |
"For the average Buell owner who hasen't had that experience it can be very frustrating." In my opinion the average Buell owner shouldn't even hook up to the bike. (in other words, if you don't know how it works you can't fix it.) I applaud the guys at Techno for taking the time and effort to provide us with a alternate means, no matter how small the market. No other aftermarket company has come close to this tool yet.  | ||
| Opto |
Bottom line is Buell don't want inexperienced owners playing with the factory set ecm and causing a myriad of warranty/bad press/horror stories issues. Most other bike manufacturers take the same stance. Someone cracked the Triumph ecm's, see www.tuneboy.com.au Other than that there's not much around, a few times I've heard jap bike owners grumbling about the fuel map after they've fitted a new exhaust system. Us Buell owners are not alone with this issue. (In the "old days" bikes got rejetted as required - but now it's 2005, and the weekend tinkerer or serious tuner now has to play a completely different game.) | ||
| Ryker77 |
Motorcycles are toys. And the American Male wants to be able to play with his toys. Faster, stronger, bigger, etc etc. Bottom line is in order to keep the value of the bikes they need to be able to be moddified. Example the lt1 and ls1 GM v8's can be tunned and alot of people tune them. Thus tons of aftermarket parts and tons of people buying them. This keeps the value of those cars. Can you imagine if every V8 car sounded stock. It would hurt the image of the v8 car. Just how popular would the Camaro, Mustangs, and even the Civics be if they were unable to be tuned? Unless the aftermarket fixes the ECM issues for a fair price. Then I'd never buy or recommend a new buell. | ||
| Daves |
Buells can be modified. It is done all the time. Can you imagine if all Buells sounded stock?  Did you send the Techno stuff back to me yet? | ||
| Chainsaw |
I applaud the guys at Techno... Ditto! They swapped out by bad dongle in a timely fashion, and I was able to reset my TPS last night. They even sent me a new carrying case (no more cardboard box). Not having to drag my bike to a dealership and be at the mercy of their service schedule is well worth the price of the software. | ||
| Chainsaw |
...rider has to pay 70.00 per hour to trace down bad sensors. A jumper wire between the #1 and #2 pin on the datalink will do the same thing. That's how I knew I had to reset my TPS. Engine light blinked 11 times when jumpered. | ||
| Ryker77 |
Dave I did send the prodcut back. Chainsaw.-- The blinks just told you it was the TPS. It didn't tell you if it was bad wires, bad sensor, or needed adjusted. You simply got lucky the first try. | ||
| Daves |
Cool, thanks Ryker |
