| Author | Message | ||
     Nasty73z |
I know that Dark Horse is a site sponsor and their sliders are beautiful, but which would realistically be better in a crash? For frame sliders, aluminum is the ultimate mistake, and delrin or other plastics are the best. So is the same true for swingarm and fork sliders? You want the best sliding resistance but also for the slider to absorb some of the impact and not transfer it directly to the frame. Just curious before I order. BTW, is anyone using the Sato axle sliders? Haven't seen or heard anything on the board about them. Chase | ||
| Daves |
Dago's DHM ones worked good! | ||
| Al_lighton |
I'm not sure I agree with the statement "aluminum is the ultimate mistake, and delrin or other plastics are the best". How much shock do you think the delrin really absorbs? Delrin sliders that I've seen after a wreck are worn away where they've slid, but are otherwise not deformed permanently in the left over part. Seems that the slider is just that, a slider, not a shock absorber. They do their job when they sacrifice themselves to protect the thing they are on, and nothing more. As far as the sliding goes, what is better, a slippery slider or a sticky slider? "You want the best sliding resistance"....what does that mean? More friction? Or is less friction better? Which one truly has more friction in a slide? I tried to find engineering Coefficient of Friction data for aluminum and nylon on concrete and asphalt, couldn't find it. At the end of the day, I don't think it matters one heckuva lot. Both the aluminum and the delrin sliders are not likely to wear away to nothing during the slide, both protect the item in question, both will need replacement afterwards. I sell both, and both are quite popular. For some strange reason, the Sato's have been flying out of the store over the past week, I can't figure out why the sudden surge in popularity. The DHM ones fit the axle holes a little better and look nicer, IMHO. But I'd have no reservations about using either. Al | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
And that my friends has got to be th4 best, most honest answer to the question yet, and I will stand behind the Frame Pucks from Buell :-D The better question is which one will you cry the least over when you have to replace it after that slide? The ones from DHM that I have seen are still there enough that some time on a grinder might even make it reusable, I have yet to see a delrin slider that I would feel comfortable reusing. | ||
| Gjmcmanus |
As long as it protects the axle or frame it did it's job... Hell of a lot cheaper to replace sliders than axle or frame... | ||
| M1combat |
That's the way I see it... After that it's all about aesthetics and that's a highly subjective topic. Just don't buy ones that generate a good deal of leverage acting on their mounting points... (Message edited by m1combat on June 21, 2005) | ||
| Dago |
Get the Dark Horse ones and buy them from Al at American Sport Bike. Both are board sponsors and all around nice guys. And the best part is that they'll both benefit from your purchase. They work exceptionally well and saved me a ton of cash. My $.02. | ||
| Dago |
Wait. Daves sells them too. Buy one from Daves and one from Al. Yeah...that's the best solution.  | ||
| Hkwan |
I've both, believe it or not. I first bought the Sato for the rear. Then I saw the Dark Horse one so I bought the Dark Horse set for the rear and dremel the Sato's axle to be shorter to fit on the front. To compare the two, The Dark Horse one you can use it like it is a swing-arm spool for the rearstand. Don't use it when you want to change your wheel because it is in the way for taking out the rear wheel axle. Also, if you use it as a spool, the powder coat (black for the xb12's) will come off for sure. The black color doesn't match exactly as the swingarm's color either. The Dark Horse installation is very simple. You don't even need tools, just tighten by hand pretty much although there is a hole there for you to insert an allen wrench for you to put more torque into tightening it. Now the down side is that it is much easier to get stolen. The Sato one you'd need a thin wall 10mm socket. As far as sliding during a lowside, Iam sure both can do their job well. Now on the Dark Horse, seems to me that there is a slight chance it will catch something easier (comparing to Sato's) because of its shape. In the looks department, the Dark Horse one certainly don't look as cheap as the Sato's. | ||
| Race_pirate |
Delrin for track... Aluminum for show.... Both will do what they are designed to do, protect the swing arm. | ||
| Tattdbueller |
I've got the Satos, they look pretty good. I'd post a pic if I could figure out how to shrink the dimensions. Any help? BTW I'm in Tulsa | ||
| Nasty73z |
Oh sweet. Was going to post to see how many others in OK. The DHM spool sliders remove the paint from the frame? Dont want to damage the bike since I'm wanting these to protect it! | ||
| Tattdbueller |
I've got the Satos on the front and rear axles and pucks on the frame. I'm trying to shrink this pic so I can show you. Do you know how? | ||
| Hkwan |
Nasty73z, the powder coat on the frame/swingarm doesn't get taken off. What I'm saying is that if you use the slider as spools for the spool adaptor on the stand, the Stand will take off the powder coating from the spool. The swingarm won't be affected. Sorry for the confusion. | ||
| Race_pirate |
Sliders from American Superbike-SATO   | ||
| Hkwan |
OT here - what is that rear stand you are using that is wide enough for the XB? I had to force the Handy stand to be wider to fit the bike. | ||
| Race_pirate |
POS Brand. It used to be my buddys stand for his old FZR1000 race bike, the brace was cut cuz the FZR was wider then normal, works width wise but bike still slides forward. Pitbull seems like the best option. | ||
| Tattdbueller |
Satos here also.  | ||
| Diablobrian |
Make sure you get the wide pit bull. The standard is too narrow. T-rex rear stands also work well, although we have had some issues with their front stands. YMMV we have Hal's chain conversions on the bikes we are using the stands with. | ||
| Blake |
Axle sliders like those from DHM have no need of any shock absorption characteristics. Good grief they mount directly to the axle. And they don't take much of an impact anyway. The frame sliders do take a significant impact, thus the sacrificial crushable design. Come to think of it, I don't recall seeing anything but aluminum spools used for swingarm sliders at the racetrack. They may be there, but all the bikes I've helped put on the stands have had aluminum swingarm sliders/spools. HKwan, According to DHM, the black powdercoat offered on some DHM sliders was never intended nor advertised to match the dark paint of the XB12's. Don't know where you got the idea that it was. And it would be even more presumptuous to assume that the coating should survive engagement by uncoated forked spool type fingers of a metal rear wheel stand supporting the entire weight bearing on the rear axle. And what is an axle slider going to "catch" that is of any consequence as the bike is sliding down the road or track??? Geesh. | ||
| Hkwan |
Chill out Blake, I was just stating the fact and no assumption here. I stated as it is - black paint doesn't match (which is a fact and am not saying it was / wasn't advertised that way); the paint will be scratched off (which you are confirming here) if you use it as a spool. Also, given the two sliders, if all things being equal, the Dark Horse one will catch easier, no? Please don't be so defensive, I'm not trashing your product here, I like it therefore I bought it. BTW, tell me the truth, if you could, you would have matched the black paint exactly, wouldn't you? So I'm just pointing out what I've found and even if you don't take it as constructive feedback on your product, there is no need to "geesh" me. You are welcome. (Message edited by hkwan on June 21, 2005) | ||
| Skully |
Hi Henry, Blake has nothing to do with the design of the Dark Horse Moto products. As we discussed, I really want to offer black anodize for the sliders but the small lot sizes and shipping costs to and from make it unattractive. The reason that I am able to offer powder coating at such a reasonable price is due to the proximity of the shop doing the coating and the relationship that I have with them. As far as grabbing anything while sliding, there is no way to predict what is going to happen in a motorcycle crash. However, I know from my personal experiences crashing on the street (how Dark Horse Moto got started) and on the track that aluminum slides just fine. Check out the results of Dago's low side with DHM sliders:  What ever you use, use something. The damage from a simple low side can really ruin your day and can easily be prevented. Keith | ||
| Hkwan |
Thanks for the clarification. In anycase, I still am not trashing the product in any way. Like I've indicated in the previous post, I am very sure it will slide fine comparing to the Sato's. Now as far as catching something, I'll tell you what triggered me into thinking that - I've been working in my backyard too much and noticed roots from some plants just crawls across the surface of the soil and that's how they spread their shoots. Now if in case the bike does go sliding off road, I was just thinking the Dark Horse sliders "might" hook on one of those roots "EASIER" than the Sato's. I know if it happens, it might turn out to be an isolated incident. To me, it is just a bigger potential by comparison, that's all. I've not seen any other sliders from any manufacturer has a product that has a shape as complicated as the Dark Horse's, that's all. In no where I've stated the Dark Horse's product WILL }catch something, I was just doing an comparison and was stating what I think might be a "bigger" potential. Hopefully more than one person think my comparison between the two products is fair and unbias. | ||
| Blake |
The slider might more easily catch on a root???  Ohhhhh kayyyyy then. You ever see the frame sliders that professional racers and canyon blitzing sport-bike jockeys use??? They are BIG squared off cylindrical pegs that stick way the heck out the side of the bike. I'm all for criticism and critical observations, but being concerned about an axle slider catching on a root is utterly ••••••• ridiculous. And it ain't paint, it is powder-coat. | ||
| Blake |
One more thought... Better put a big round ball on the end of your handle bars. You know, in case they might catch on a root. I hereby dub thee, "Hand Wringing Root Catcher". | ||
| Koz5150 |
I got an even better idea... don't drop your bike! | ||
| Skully |
don't drop your bike! <LOL> If only you could control all circumstances... Keith | ||
| Hkwan |
Blake, you are focusing on a very minor part of what I said "MIGHT" happen. Is this the best you got? I did mention powdercoat, didn't I? You do need to chill and not start arguments. I value this forum and doesn't look like your comments are adding any value. Hey, I am sounding like what you should sound like... hee-hee. |
