| Author | Message | ||
     Kootenay |
Take a look--check out the front rotor on the Furia, and the overall styling of the Fionda...note the exhaust placement on both...and, hmmm, 1100cc air-cooled, pushrod V-twins...but somehow, I don't think they're quite as reasonably priced as a Buell! http://www.ghezzi-brian.com/models_furia.htm http://www.ghezzi-brian.com/models_fionda.htm | ||
| Nevar |
Yeah. I've got an 03 MotoGuzzi LeMans. HD and MotoGuzzi are more similar than you might think. Especially the XBs and the sporty Guzzis - about the same performance, v-twin air-cooled engines, somewhat suspect reliability, somewhat crappy dealer support, etc. Tim | ||
| Spatten1 |
Guzzi is often considered the HD of Italy. I think they started building sporty bikes again after the American dentist ran one at Daytona in the 90's. They just got rid of points ignition a few years ago.... | ||
| Andreyev |
A guy in a restaurant once asked me if that was my "Monster" out front. I told him it was my American Monster. Apparently he didn't know enough about bikes to be able to tell the diff between a 12S and a Monster. I'm a big fan of Italian styling, and while both those bikes are interesting, they don't do much for me. | ||
| Starter |
If you take a look at the tuning link they are offering XBR lights as performance parts for the furia. Quite humorous. | ||
| Olinxb12r |
It even has the amber wheels | ||
| M1combat |
"HD and MotoGuzzi are more similar than you might think. Especially the XBs and the sporty Guzzis - somewhat suspect reliability" Prove it... | ||
| Nevar |
Given days (weeks?) of finding statistics I'm sure I could. Am I gonna do that? Not on your life... BTW, That "Prove it" request could be used for 90 percent of what is posted here or any other forum. Why don't you prove that it's NOT true... Tim | ||
| M1combat |
You made the statement. Maybe you suspect the reliability of the XB model, but I don't. In every case the I have heard of where an engine has failed (and there have only been a few) I have either suspected that, or it's been common knowledge that, either the owner or the dealer was responsible for the failure due to improper technique during a previous service. In any case, I didn't mean to offend as such, but please don't make statements that you can't back up... It's not good for the brand. If you have proof... Fire away. You don't though... So don't. It's not up to me to back up your statement. It's up to you. You'll remember that I conveniently left out the part where I was telling you that you were wrong  . I only asked you to back up your claim. | ||
| M1combat |
"BTW, That "Prove it" request could be used for 90 percent of what is posted here or any other forum." Maybe a lot of forums... but the good ones are inhabited by people who won't tolerate tech-less posts (or at least the ones I like are). About 90% of everything is Chaff... Why add to it? BTW - Does that handle have anything to do with the movie "LadyHawk"? | ||
| Nevar |
Yes and no. Nevar is Raven spelled backwards. The character in LadyHawk, Captain Navarre, was spelled differently. But I do like the legend of Navarre and Isabeau. How about M1Combat? NOTE: I own a MotoGuzzi, a Ducati, and an Aprilia, so I am coming from a point of experience. Tim | ||
| Nevar |
Regardless of the reasons for "suspect reliability" (inherent design flaws, bad part manufacture, bad assembly, bad setup, or bad dealer service) it all contributes to the "perceived" reliability. If Dealer Service is the sorest point and most HD dealers are the same, then Buell itself has a problem. While I really like my 03 XB9S, I'm not so naive or loyal to the brand to believe that it is the most reliable m/c on the market. Tim | ||
| M1combat |
I don't believe it's the most reliable either (but from what I hear... It's well on it's way). When it comes to "Perceived" reliability... Well, we aren't actually talking reality there . Reality so far seems to indicate that the XB's are exceedingly reliable in and of themselves. I agree that the dealer network with regards to service needs some work. It could also be said that the customers ability to research and decide where the good dealers/service stations are at could be improved . It's nice to assume that you bought your bike from a place that knows how to service it, but in reality, the farthest you can take that assumption is that you bought your bike from a dealer that "should" know how to service it. All too often (from what I hear) this is not the case. Keep in mind though, there a many Buell dealers that have never heard of the BadWeb that are indeed good dealers/service centers. My local "Grand Canyon HD" is one of them. In any case, it may have been symantecs that set me off (and I'm somewhat known for it ) because the bike's reliability itself is pretty close to excellent of not actually beyond it compared to other brands. The fit/finish IMO is also superior, and the engineering and innovation (again, IMO) far exceeds anything else you can buy. The QC procedure at Buell is VERY thorough and seemingly on the leading edge. I guess I just see a LOT of cards stacked favorably for Buell. The general public just needs to realize that they aren't riding spec sheets. They need to get out and RIDE a damn Buell before they decide that it doesn't have what they want. It would be nice if the factory would chose a different tire too... Anyway, back to your regularly scheduled programming . | ||
| M1combat |
Oh... For M1Combat... Check the profile  . | ||
| Nevar |
M1, As far as the good things about the Buell motorcycle, you're preaching to the choir here - I'm sold! Tim | ||
| M1combat |
Good, now go preach to the masses my brother . | ||
| Nevar |
M1, BTW, I'm jealous about your local HD dealer. The one down here is CRAP! Tim | ||
| Nevar |
now go preach to the masses ============================ You know that's an impossible task. The m/c masses are truly ignorant...(maybe stupid is a better term) Ignorance can be overcome... Tim (Message edited by nevar on June 06, 2005) | ||
| M1combat |
You don't need to preach to the motorcycle masses... Just get yourself a soap box, go down to a busy street, stand on it and just start shouting praises about the virtues of the XB . A Force pipe helps a lot . | ||
| Court |
Kinda reminds me of a typical workday at the UN...everybody's "kinda right". The reliablity of the entire Buell BLAST and XB platform is B-U-L-L-E-T-P-R-O-O-F. Period. That fact, I submit, will become legendary. There have been isolated problems from time to time, a couple small (for instance 160 XB's for kickstands - think it as 3.2% and the total cost of performing the recall on all impacts bikes as <$1,000 if that is of comfort) concerns. The small concerns have essentially served to allow Buell to show off improved customer service, parts delivery and a QA/QC program with an excellent feedback/response function. The reliability of no XB has ever been, with any credibility, brought into question. Court |
