| Author | Message | ||
     Justice |
I would be happy if the only change was a new gearbox. 6 speed for '06 Makes sense, doesn't it? | ||
| Coolice |
Ah ya should have been with us on our ride to the factory yesterday......... | ||
| Kaese |
At the AMA races at Sears Point (Infineon)and saw one set of the different plastic. Think they are going to make it an option at the dealer when purchasing. For me, $800 is kind of expensive to just change the color. Did like it though. | ||
| Johnnylunchbox |
I think there's gonna be a factory chopper option for '06. Due to the recent rise in popularity of reality TV chopper building shows, they are going to offer a raked out XB with a 485 rear tire, with class-leading proprietary "inside-out" front suspension, chrome bat wings, and complimentary OCC temporary tattoos. (Message edited by JohnnyLunchBox on May 25, 2005) | ||
| M1combat |
And a strut-rod instead of a shock unit  . | ||
| Martin |
I thought my XB already had a strut rod and a hardtail fork! | ||
| Outrider |
Koz is still hoping for orange colored tires! | ||
| Eeeeek |
My prediction: Bold new graphics. As for the V-ROD egnine, other than the degree of the V, what else does it really have in common with the VR1000 engine? Vik | ||
| Rd3501 |
I am thinking new Fuel injection that will give the bikes between 5 and 10 more HP. Different colors again this year. With the Blast sales in the toilet a revamp with a bigger engine and fuel injection. For sure the XB12CX. | ||
| José_quiñones |
Vik, Although they share no parts, the architecture is the same between the two (DOHC/4 valves, down draft fuel injection, gear/chain cam operation, location of intermediate shaft, water pump, clutch (but VR1000 had a dry clutch), primary gear drive, output sprocket on the left side, etc) One major difference is that the VR race engine was a dry sump, while the VROD engine is a wet sump.   The same way the XB and the old XL engine share their architecture (pushrods, primary chain, etc), but these two do still have parts in common. (Message edited by José_quiñones on May 26, 2005) | ||
| 650 |
I hope Mr. Buell doesn't cave in on the water cooling. It seems he feels pretty strongly against the idea. Why would anyone want it unless the engine also had DOHC? There could be a higher compression ratio but wouldn't emissions be a lot tougher for the Buells than they are now? I'd rather see DOHC or SOHC before water cooling. Although I wonder if there's enough reason to go to an overhead cam. The FX bikes are revving close to 10,000 rpms right? The RC51 and Ducati twins rev to how much? About 10k? I think a 1200 short stroke with dual throttle bodies and a raised rev limiter would be great. A six speed trans would be cool too if we have the HP to push another gear. Realistically, I'm hoping for any of 3 things in 2006 and not necessarily from Buell. A programmable ECM, 8 piston caliper, dual throttle bodies. | ||
| Njbuell |
The 05 Buells have flashable ECM's...there is just no software on the mainstream yet. Phil | ||
| Kaese |
I want them to shove as much fuel down them as they can handle. But if they do that they will need larger fuel capacity!!!!!! | ||
| M1combat |
"The 05 Buells have flashable ECM's...there is just no software on the mainstream yet. " How do you know that? "The FX bikes are revving close to 10,000 rpms right?" I've heard as high as about 8500 or so... | ||
| Joele |
650 wrote "The RC51 and Ducati twins rev to how much? About 10k?" Ducati uses the Desmodromic valve actuation system that allows higher revving but demands more rigorous service. Result is some 11k+ RPMS possible. | ||
| Enp83 |
I was under the impression that the Buells redline isn't limited by it's pushrods but more so by it's LONG stoke design. One of the FX Buell bikes has a stroke of 3", while the "short stroke" XB9 has a stroke of 3.125", the looong stroke XB12 has a stroke of 3.812". Compare that a RC51's stroke of "just" 2.5"...that's where they get their extra revs from. The Buell FX bike that someone posted about a month or two ago on here had a spec sheet that went along with it (where I got the length of the stroke for it) and it said it had a 9,000rpm redline. Nascar engines are pushrod (no idea what the strokes are) but don't they redline around 9,000 rpms? I would love to see Buell sometime use a DOHC water cooled v-twin, but not if it weighs over 500lbs...but I'd also LOVE to see a 1200cc or larger motor with a 3" stroke for more revs. Buell just has to be careful not to upset some traditional Buell riders who like the long stroke/high torque motors. | ||
| M1combat |
9000 "seems" doable... I think NASCARs run about 10K. Keep in mind that they have a better rocker setup than we do. There are a few NASCAR tricks in the Buell engine. Oil sprayers and something with the valve springs as I recall... Nothing exactly on the bleeding edge of technology, but good proven techniques. You are correct though, the real limit is piston speed. | ||
| Nicozzzz |
one french magazine speak about launch of new buell in europe at end of June in Sardegna island, I know some other rumors and some other sure information ... that is on the some way of Eor prediction , not for the engine anyway , I think there will be some surprise also on the frame that will be an xb frame but little bit different ... why ? but maybe I'm joking  | ||
| Whodom |
If you find the article in Cycle World magazine that covered the introduction of the XB12's, Erik specifically says that the one component limiting the RPM of the 1200 cc engine is the roller bearing on the big end of the connecting rods. As I recall, he said reliability of this component suffers if the RPM is held above the current rev limiter setting for significant lengths of time. This was the reason for the rev limiter design with two separate RPM limits. Based on this, it doesn't sound like piston speed is the ultimate RPM limiter for the 1200 cc engine, at least not yet. | ||
| Mikej |
Nicozzzz, That may be the island I heard about, thought it would be Isle of Man, but your magazine article sounds more likely. Got a name for that magazine you read that in? Thanks. | ||
| Buelluk |
Nicozzzz, Sardinia sounds more plausible, the Euro mags prefer to go to boondoggles in the Mediterranean rather than wet cold islands between England and Ireland. | ||
| 650 |
What I was getting at was why change to DOHC if we haven't been able to explore the pushrods a bit more. With the other twins I mentioned their redline is only slightly higher than the ~9000 RPMs that the FX bikes are capable of with the pushrods. Going to a big bore/short stroke design wouldn't sacrifice that much torque I'd imagine. Besides that would allow for a big bore long stroke street bike. A water cooled DOHC lightweight twin capable of 10k+ RPMs would be fine with me too but then we'd just be driving an American version of the Aprilia twins. Not that there's anything wrong with that. I think the attraction to the Buells for a lot of us was it's uniqueness. I love the gas mileage I get with the bike. I love the zero maintenance thing. I love the sound and looks of it. I'd love more power but only without sacrificing the reliability of the bike. I don't think a water cooled DOHC engine will make that much more power to justify any loss of mileage, reliability, sound, etc., in my eyes anyways. | ||
| M1combat |
DOHC is useless to us at these RPM/Stroke lengths... We could use four valve heads probably... We could use a re-machined lower end that uses a temkin bearing... We could use an overdrive sixth gear... I still think they could safely bump the twelve 300 RPM's, but in my case at least it would be next to useless. I almost always shift by 5500 anyway. I would like to see an ECM that is divided into ~300 RPM segments with an "AFV" for each segment. This way it could learn aftermarket pipes and engine mods a lot better. *Theoretically . I'd like to see CF frame and swingarms available through "parts and accessories" on the website. | ||
| Captjim |
A Buell CF chin fairing is $349 I can't even imagine what a CF frame or swingarm would cost. Probably more than a new CityX  On the water cooling issue. When I shopped for this bike the Ducati Monster was on my list. The S4R has a superbike motor and even though it was faster and "better" I didn't like it. Too many tubes and radiator sections, looked like crap IMO. I liked the M1000S. Very, very similar to the Buells. Air cooled twin, naked, low on spec sheet performance, but good enough to wheelie, corner, and be an all-around hoot to ride. Point being just because a new bike may come out with more power doesn't mean it will be automatically "better" to me than my 12R. It is a fun discussion though, Better than the "Buells Suck" thread. | ||
| Spike |
I'd like to see that too, but I don't think I'd like to see the price. Especially if they keep the same marketing genius that priced the "torque" grips. I can picture it now . . . Twist the power out of your Buell® motorcycle with this new Torque® carbon-fiber frameset! Autoclave finish will give you the grip you'll need when unleashing the torque out of your V-Twin motor. "Buell" script on the end of the frame will let others know you have a disproportionately high dollars-to-sense ratio. Fits all '03 and later XB models. MSRP $14,995 | ||
| Nadz |
M1, I don't think you'll ever see more granular ECM segments "to learn aftermarket pipes and mods better." Remember the discussion about the proposed EPA guidelines designed to prevent any perf mods? Be afraid- big brother definitely wants to outlaw Drummers. In fact- I bet we'll see catalytic converters on bikes pretty soon. Wups- just re-read your post. You meant an improved Race ECM, right? You would never run such a thing on the street... (wink wink) | ||
| M1combat |
Plenty of bikes have cats... Most I think? Yeah... Race ecm . | ||
| Kaese |
water cooled DOHC lightweight twin capable of 10k+ RPMs would be fine with me too but then we'd just be driving an American version of the Aprilia twins Test drove an Aprillia Tuono at the AMA races a few weeks back. This one even had some aftermarket pipes on it. The engine was strong past 3K RPM's, but it was really lame feeling. No charater! Revved to around 11K, but so what. Drove like a big dirt bike. | ||
| Tomzweifel |
I'd personally like to see neither pushrods nor a chain driven OHC. Anybody remember the late-90's Interceptors with the gear driven OHC V-4? Really nice setup - had a turbine-like whine to it (no, it wasn't the cooling fan!). Not that I think a V-4 is necessary, but gear driven cams are sweet. Oh, and get rid of the chain-driven primary. Quick-change helical gear primary would be nice. And I can't even begin to say how much I'm liking not having a radiator on a bike. | ||
| Xbolt12 |
Wow! Is that what the VR1000 looked like?? What are we waiting for Erik??? xbolt12 |
