| Author | Message | ||
     Diablobrian |
Bubabuell, as a one off piece at a local shop it'll cost at least 3-4 times what Norris is asking. In a manual shop you don't even want to think about the labor involved, what is the going hourly rate for a machinist in your area? Even at a cnc shop someone has to take the time to program the toolpaths for the machine to cut it. And the hourly rate for the CNC programers is a lot higher than that of an old school machinist like myself. Then again if you live somewhere where cheaP skilled labor is available (near our southern border?) the whole dynamic can be shifted. But that's just my experience talking, YMMV   I'm a machinist myself and I'm buying one because I can't produce one any cheaper (if I figure my own hourly labor into it). (Message edited by diablobrian on May 11, 2005) | ||
| Cataract2 |
Do you gain anything from that other than a cleaner airbox? | ||
| Diablobrian |
fractionally more hp due to less dirty air in your airbox. oil vapor saturated air can't be burned as efficiently as clean air. | ||
| Bubabuell |
Thanks Diablobrian. Can't say exactly what the hourly rate is here in LA for a machinist. I was curious about the process as I just picked up aluminum welding and rather enjoy the smell of argon and tungsten. Maybe I can weld something together as opposed to do CNC job. Paul | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Diablobrian is dead on about custom parts. A production part is three to four times less money than a custom one off part. And if it’s a small part, you can usually have three made for the same price as one. But all that said, I’ll be making parts for my Buell anyway, so I’ll offer them as I go. I got a couple emails from BadWebers that want to know if doing this is a big advantage, and how. The biggest reason I know for this mod is, it reduces heat in the air box. Hot air is less dense and therefore has less oxygen. More oxygen means more power. I’ll be going back to the dyno in a couple weeks and let you guys know the results. | ||
| Buell12hundo |
norris, thanks for the farther shot. you got some talent man and glad to see you sharing it with the rest of us. it realy fits in the spot you picked, dosent look out of place at all.i dont have a bike yet but on friday i will and maybe next week i can order one from you(dont want you to make one for nothing) good work man a lot of pride thats good to see | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Thanks It was Hog's idea to make em and CruiSin's idea for the placement. | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Thanks everyone. Looks like it's a go, 9 so far. Everyone so far wants black anodized. I'll try and make a couple extras, but if anyone else is interested, try and let me know before next Tuesday, so I'll know how many to machine on this run. Next up, is the top filter cover. Hogs I shipped your proto, you should get it in 3 to 7 days. Thanks Mike | ||
| Hogs |
HEy Mike, Thanks Buddy I`ll keep an eye out for her... Chris | ||
| Ara |
I was hopeing for two inlets, one outlet, a drain, and the ability to check it visually. I'll hold out for the transparent aluminum version. (See Commander Mongomery Scott for the specs.)  | ||
| Hogs |
Hey Ara, Sup... I might and probability wd. agree on them openings, ... but to me one don`t have to see "THIS" backwards sorry LoL.. for that is what it is... Plus I wd. not expect to get much liquid there anyways, I hope that is the case...And justs lets out the stale air maybe in a week or so just drain the sucker... Done Deal... | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Ara If that's what you want no problem. I'll put you an extra inlet on and a window in yours. I talked to some Harley techs, that I trust. They said, only one cylinder vents at a time. And two inlets where not needed, and it would be overkill. So to keep the set up looking clean, and not having hoses sticking out every where. I went with one inlet. The window is, and was a cost issue, but it can be added if someone wants to spend a little more on the can. I'll just stick to draining it every 7 or 8 hundred miles. You want need any tools, just turn the thumb screw drain valve, and catch it in a cup. lol mike | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Just thought I'd mention, the cans will retail @ 126.00 after this run. | ||
| Hogs |
Hey Norris, I know what ya mean about the hoses ..However not sure on how much ... lets say a stock HD. has to breath as compare to these Buells. As I have a 104 cubic inch 5 inch Stroker and on that I had to INlarge the single vent hose a whole lot more with 10.5 Compression etc etc.. I do think two inlets wd. be better not having to " T " them into one smaller hose orrrrrr "T" them in approx: perhaps right at the top where they come out of the heads into One larger hose there and then run that down to the one inlet also with a Filter right there on the top of can as not have to be restricted to suck all the way back up out of one small hose & filter as you have done...Hmmm I myself will want a filter right there on top of the can , But thats just me LoL.. | ||
| Outrider |
I myself will want a filter right there on top of the can I like to bury stuff whenever possible. However, if you ever forget to drain the catch can, the filter is going to be puking the excess all over the place in its hidden location. Sometimes creating a bigger mess that it's worth. YMMV I just learned that from experience. Ugh!!! | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Ok, so if you want two inlets just say so when and if you order. And the one I sent Hog's has two inlets. And you can put the filter wherever you want. All the vent hoses do is vent, no sucking that I'm aware of. Just a vent to release any blow by on the compression stroke. If you pull the valve out of the cover, you will find that it is a one way valve and only has four little 1/8" slots to release pressure. So two lines into one should be a plenty. Most V8 motors come from the factory with only one 3/8 hose vent, and the Buell only have two cylinders. Guys have been doing this mod for a while, with no problems. Running both lines into one. It's no problem to have two inlets on the can, I just think it's unnecessary. Two cans have gone out for evaluation. Hogs has two inlets and M1combat has one. I will have the feedback on both before I machine anymore. I also have one on my bike. A sight glass can be installed in the front cover, but I think it will look out of place. It is my goal to offer the best performing products that I can. But it's hard sometimes to make everybody happy. Lol Hogs The second inlet on your can has a plug in it and it is only finger tight. (Message edited by norrisperformance on May 12, 2005) | ||
| Hogs |
Thanks LoL... | ||
| Diablobrian |
*****WARNING WARNING UNDERSTATEMENT AHEAD!***** "It is my goal to offer the best performing products that I can. But it's hard sometimes to make everybody happy."   | ||
| M1combat |
One inlet with a "T'd" hose is best IMO. I'm quite sure that one hose can flow the amount of air that gets by the PCV valve, with the added benefit of less weight in two areas... The hose AND the fitting. Less weight is ALWAYS better. | ||
| Outrider |
Norris...Relax Bud...You have a fine design there. All I was referring to is I neglected to empty my Jazz Can and the vent puked all over the bike and me via the vent. Hell, I normally am the one that checks the oil and drains the catch can at the end of every ride. I guess I just plain forgot the catch can with the new season. Easy to do as I normally ride my Wide Glide and I don't have/need one on it.  | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Outrider The post was not directed at you, although looking back at it, I can see where you could have thought that. Sorry lol My intentions were to address the issue. Not to bark at anyone. It is so easy to be misinterpreted when posting. Thanks for the complement. | ||
| Cataract2 |
I'll pick one up sometime in the future. Got some other goodies I want for my Buell. Like the right side air scoop. | ||
| Outrider |
Norris...No sweat. Didn't think it was aimed at me, but wanted to clarify my previous post. The key to catch can's is to know your bike, how often you need to drain the can and then make it a habit. One trick I learned from Lake Bueller is to do it at gas stops. He just takes one of the windshield towels and drains it into the towel. Makes sense as it only takes a few moments and the discharge is usually light. | ||
| Fogal |
Catch cans on Xb's are a waste of money. at the most a drop of oil comes out of each vent hose a year. how many of you have opened up the airbox and found oil everywhere? none. The reality is that the hoses are just a couple of air vent/breather hoses and if you have oil coming out of those hoses on a regular basis and in large QTY's to necessitate a catch can, then you have a bigger problem and a catch can is simply a band-aid to a real issue. Catch cans on XB's are a waste of money. just my opinion. but if you needed them buell would have put one there | ||
| Norrisperformance |
What's up Aussie_buell_riderz Get a life. | ||
| Norrisperformance |
It obvious you don’t understand the mechanics of a motor. The reason you see no oil in the air box, is it’s sucked in the motor and burned, along with the added heat and spent air. That’s why some people take the hoses out of the air box. Uncontaminated air + less heat = more hp. Manufactures have to conform with EPA regulations, that’s why the hoses are routed to the air box, do some research. This is facts, not an opinion. And not a issue worthy of a debate. (Message edited by norrisperformance on May 14, 2005) | ||
| Hogs |
Hey Norris, LoL Don`t waste your time trying to explain it to them They will never learn Hmmm too much time on their hands playing with Horns, But they should hook up 12 volts to them and see if they can get a sound out of em LoL Then they can market their horns and say how much louder they are...LoL (Message edited by hogs on May 14, 2005) | ||
| Norrisperformance |
Chris Lol brother, keep me in check, thought it was the pipe wars all over again. Done it, been there, and don't care to, ever again. | ||
| Hogs |
Yeah R.I.P LoL | ||
| Anonymous |
i dont have mine in the airbox and no oil has ever come out. like i said waste of money. |
