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Jcwise
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 12:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

It's spring break and time for my Tiforce installation. After over viewing the job I may have figured out a way to work around the back header and frame with-out having the fan and rear shock removed. I figured someone might know of a specialty tool that could manipulate the bend around the header tube that would not cause any damage. Does anyone have any experience and ideas in regards to this job being done right.
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Glitch
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Does anyone have any experience and ideas in regards to this job being done right.
There aren't any short cuts to do the job right.
Just take your time and do it by the book.
I know I would especially if I was installing a new header and didn't want to force or scratch anything.
But that's just me.
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Enduro261
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Listen to Glitch, there is no easy way around it. If you try to manipulate the header you will end up scratching the header or something else on your bike
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Bud
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

jcwise,

i'm very intrested to here how you would put the new gasket in ? and how you think to get to the upper headernut ? the lower one is easy with some long extentions and a swiveljoint.


i have removed headers, and engine's a few time's
my best time for a header removal is 1 hour ( with out rotating )
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Drop the engine. It's not difficult and there's really no way to properly torque stuff w/ a wobbly socket...

Do a search for "force header install" and you should find a partially decent writeup by me on what was actually necessary to rotate the engine. The manual calls for dis-connecting a few things that don't really need it. I think that if I wasn't doing it at night in cramped quarters at 35F I could have done it in about three hours.
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Johnk3
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 01:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

just finished doing new headers. rotate the engine, very easy to do and I don't think there is a way to torque the rear header nuts to 72-96 in-lbs unless you rotate it.
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Flick
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 02:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Although, I did notice the other day while installing a new belt on my 9S that when I removed the right side footpeg mount (3 bolts), I could quite clearly see one of the header nuts, and it would be easy to get a socket in there...don't know if this would make removal/installation possible without dropping the engine, just making a small observation.
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Jessicasdad
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 04:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Quick question ... did anyone keep their old header .. and if so are you willing to sell it ??? had a bit of a lay down and there is a nick in mine ....
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Johnk3
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

have a 9 header...
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Cataract2
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 05:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Do it right do it once.
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M1combat
Posted on Monday, March 14, 2005 - 05:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I have a 12 header...
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Jcwise
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 02:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Thanks gentlemen I've taken into account all important points and successfully installed the system in about six hours. There was two of us that worked together on the bike shedding off time. All went fairly well but now I'am lacking knowledge in regards to tuning my bike. My bike is stock with the exception of TiForce system and TFI any suggestions?
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Stoobr2
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 05:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

Pivotting the XB engine can be done much quicker than the manual suggests.

Once you have removed the three engine tie bars, just loosen the swingarm bolt and undo the two front mounts for the oil cooler/front mount and loosen the rear one. There is no need to disconnect any cables or fuel pipes etc.

Put a jack under the front of the engine and undo the large allen bolt on the front engine mount. You can then rotate the engine down using the jack just far enough to take the headers off.

Good luck.....
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Lpd22
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I just want to make something clear to all those who are thinking about rotating their engines. If you rotate your engine I highly advise that you have the bike on a stand or even strapped down on a trailer like slaughter explained to me in past threads. I personal tried rotating the engine on my bike's kickstand and I'll be the first to tell you that it was a major pain. Lets just say some things went wrong that you can easily avoid by using a stand or trailer.

After some time I can proudly say that I finally got my new headers on my bike. And it looks sweet.
Good luck and take your time.
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M1combat
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

I hung the bike from a support beam on my friends porch.

To rotate the engine far enough to get a straight shot at the header bolts you will need to loosen the coil and the bolt that the clutch cable mounts to at the front. Also, pull the clutch cable out from under the engine. If you don't, it will tighten when you begin to drop the engine.

Lpd... How could you have possibly thought that rotating the engine with the bike on the kick stand was a good idea? The kick stand is mounted to the engine...
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Lpd22
Posted on Tuesday, March 15, 2005 - 09:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only)

M1- I was told it could be done. So I gave it a try. I was going to put it on my trailer but there was 3 feet of snow outside at the time. Live and learn.
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