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     Rocketsprink |
Anyone running one on their bike? Read the ones used on the older model bikes like the X1 can be used on the XB. Just wondering. I'd like to keep the race ECM, but haven't heard too many good things about the Teclusion. Well, mixed results anyway. Thanks. | ||
| Noface |
You'll get mixed results asking about the PC too. I have one on my 9R. I have used the race ECM w/D&D and PCIII w/D&D. Pretty much the same. I now have a PCIII/stock ECM with a Force pipe on my 9R. They work as good as the TFI, and IMO, better in that you can lean the mixture, where you cannot with the TFI. The PC's that are available are indeed for the X1's and S3's. But the FI on these bikes are the exact same setup as what's on the current XB's. So why wouldn't they work? I would say that it's probably more difficult to tune a PCIII on a Buell than it is the TFI. Mostly because there are so many ways you can effect the fuel mix compared to only three or four pots on the TFI. With either you *should* tune it on a dyno with A/F analyzer to get the most potential. | ||
| Hogs |
Hey NoFAce, Will this work on a Xb series I`m not up on other buell models:1999 or 2000 Buell S3 Thunderbolt and S3T Thunderbolt? Or are these carb. Models??Thanks | ||
| Spatten1 |
I used a PC on my X1 and had great seat of the pants results. I've heard that they don't work, but it runs well for me. The TFI on my XB9 has been great, but I only have three short rides on it so far. | ||
| Hogs |
Spattan1, is a S3 model carb. or fuel injected? | ||
| Hogs |
Okay guys lets say I want to use a power commander instead of the TFI . on my XB12,Would I also need to use a new oxygen sensor as well to go with the Power commander,???? Who knows which power commander series I wd. need as I know they don`t make one for the xb`s only the older buells,and what other plms. might I be up against? Got all the reg. mods done and now soon to fit the older force pipe series and drop the D&D for now?? Thanks..!!! | ||
| Kowpow225 |
I know someone who put some vance and hines longshots on his Mean Streak before adding a PC. It had a dead spot at around 1800 rpm especially when cold. Not only that, the inside of the pipes stayed perfectly clean with no black residue. After the addition of the PC, the pipes eventually sooted black and the dead spot is all but gone. It was definitely running lean after adding those pipes. | ||
| Dilysi73 |
If i don't want to have to figure out how to tune the TFI or PC will the race ecm give me good street performance with K&n, 12 air box, and D&D pipe on an 04 xb9s?  (Message edited by dilysi73 on March 05, 2005) | ||
| Spatten1 |
Hogs, my X1 is fuel injected. | ||
| Spatten1 |
The PC maps are posted on thier website. I downloaded a map tuned for my bike and my Supertrapp exhaust. If you don't want a hassle, you might want to make sure that your exact application has a map developed for it already. | ||
| Ingemar |
I downloaded a map tuned for Minor difference my friend ...  | ||
| Hogs |
Hey, Just wondering if theres any truth in this.? Found a site offering a power commander part number 808-211 for 2002 xb9r..= pcIII $329.00 But I thought they never made a unit for the xb`s??? | ||
| Newxb9er |
Today at my local Harley, I brought my '03 XB9R in for a TPS reset, and he said they don't make the power commander for the XB9R anymore. I have a Techlusion, and I asked about Dyno tuning it, and his reply was: "What is a Techlusion?" So I told him a bit about it, and he said it would probably be around $45.00 to get the bike on the Dyno, then shop time($90.00/hr). I love being the guinea pig!! So I don't know if he just wasn't in the loop about the power commander or not. Let me tell you, I get crazy looks with this bike and the D&D!! Love the sound, and the power. It has just been a pain to tune it. It pops (mild backfires) on deceleration. I hope to continue my tuning, and get her in there. We'll see. | ||
| Wyckedflesh |
The PCIII was never available as a direct model identification for the XB series bikes. You use the PCIII that is listed for the Buell X1 instead. Dynojet apparently has not and from emails I recieved from them about 6 months ago, do not intend to market one for the XB platform. They no longer offer the X1 units as a production item so if you find one unopened then you have a new old stock item. The PCIII can be tuned with a computer as NoFace has pointed out. "Some" people have had problems with the PCIII triggering their Check Engine light for a "ground to fault" meaning something shorted to a ground at the injector. "Some" people have had no issues with it. The two local shops rated for Dynojet tuning of the PCIII have both done installs and tuning on XB's, mostly 9's. Both shops said they were unable to affect the blackbox or permenant programing area of the ECM. Noface however has said he has no problems tuning those areas, which equate to below 3500rpm for standard riding. So yes, the PCIII has had its own controversy. You do need a HiPo O2 sensor that is heated to work properly with the PCIII. Does that help or make more questions? | ||
| Spatten1 |
I always get codes after a long idle on my X1 with the PC. I just ignore them. I talked to a guy at Dynojet about the box. He said they could never get them to run well enough to be really happy with the results, so they quit selling them. However, he did say that the bike will run way better than the with the stock ECM and an aftermarket exhaust. That was my experience. My bike runs very well, aside from the codes. I'd imagine that on the dyno the A/F might not be perfect, but it is WAY better than stock. I think Ferrachi put PCs on some XBs, but I don't know how well they worked. I'd stick with something else, tfi or race ECM unless you have very cheap dyno time and don't mind screwing with it. | ||
| Hogs |
Hey Guys, Tell me something IF i use one of these power commanders on my Xb do I have to change the oxygen sensor as well to go with and if so where does one get them and part number if ya know ?? Thanks | ||
| Spatten1 |
The O2s are about $100 from Dynojet. The dude on their hotline told me not to bother for my X1, but that is a different system. | ||
| Hogs |
Spattan1 thanks Pal, Do you run one on your x1? And a power commander as well? | ||
| Spatten1 |
I did not change the O2 on my X1, and the Power Commander works well anyway. I do get a check engine light on long idles, as mentioned above, but it runs strong. The map I used was specifically tuned for the Supertrapp that I used. | ||
| Robertoxb9 |
Now I am completely confused... I have a XB9R with the reg. mods, Force headers and Jardine, and race ecm ( stock as well)... Do I need a TFI or will a PCII or PC III do the job as well, or even better than the TFI?? | ||
| Noface |
The Hi-perf O2 sensor used with the PCII or III (same thing) is a heated O2 sensor. It's more responsive to the exhaust conditions (supposedly) than the stock unit, thereofore Dynojet suggests using it to manipulate the mix in closed loop. This means that the ECM is using the O2 sensor readings to set the mix rich or lean. FWIW, you can buy the same O2 sensor as what DynoJet sells for 100 bucks at Autozone for 50. Robertoxb9, by your descriptions, I'd say yes, you can benefit from the use of the PCII and heated O2 sensor. I tried the D&D with the Force header, and it was lean in the middle, fat on top. This with the race ECM. Forget about tuning a PCIII with a race ECM, the stock piece works much better. If your using a Force system, I'd say the PCIII is better for the charecteristics of that system, as you will likely need to lean out some part of the powerband. | ||
| Hogs |
Anyone know if the power commander for a 1999 to 2002 x1 and 1999 to 2002 s3 or s2 are one the same , they will take the same download maps etc. OR whats the difference will either work ok with the xb12 series, instead of using a tfi box?? | ||
| Hogs |
s3 i meant not a s2... | ||
| Noface |
yes, one for an S3 will work just fine | ||
| Crnrstr8nr |
Hogs short answer is "yes" you do want to get the O2 sensor with the power commander and the model you want is for the x-1 series. by the way that setup with a D&D exhaust and ported airbox works great! | ||
| Hogs |
Crrnrstrnr , So the one for the S3 will not work is that what you are saying , One needs the one for the X1 Hmmm And thats hard to find?? | ||
| Noface |
the only difference between the one for the X1 and the S3 are the map that's pre-programmed into the module. There are no other differences. Think about it. They both had/have (actually all three including the XB) the exact same injection system. | ||
| Crnrstr8nr |
Hog's I just went off the recommendation from the tuner, he explained that the parts dept will tell me they dont make one and to just tell them to get the one for the X-1, as it will work just fine. Dont know, for certain, that the s-3 model wouldnt work. I would ask him but he's is off pro drag racing his Buell this weekend and can be seen on ESPN 2 on the weekend of the 19th. From what i've been told in our neck of the woods he's the man when it comes to Buells. | ||
| Buelldyno_guy |
As posted on another forum "Yes" any Dyno Jet 802 PC3 will work , but the FI systems are not the same. Side Draft with larger bore, on X1's and S3's with two different sized Down Drafts on XB's. But the main difference is the ECM's the older FI systems have a smaller Closed Loop area with the XB's using a larger CL area. The race ECM is really just a high performance street system. It does not raise the RPM limit to anything close to a racing condition. The XB's have a good light short stroke crank and with heads and cams would rev to 8K but the ECM won't allow that. Hope this helps. ... BDG |
