| Author | Message | ||
     Lsr_Bbs |
...and so begins the rant... Why the F$(K do twins need a displacement advantage???? That's the f%(king point of racing, we (the sanctioning body) give you X displacement, what you do w/ it is up to you....2,3,4, 5...12 cyls., that's your choice as a Mfgr. A less-competative design is just that, less-competative. Penalizing your competition to make the racing even is just silly, and not racing (IMNSHO). Then on top of that, Ducati regularly gets to run bikes that only exist on the track against the Big4 who use massaged production machines. 600cc SS and GP racing are the only real racing left, again, IMNSHO. SS is basically production bikes w/ slicks, slipons and blueprinted motors (for everyone, even the 748's which is why they're not dominant). GP is basically no rules prototypes, so there are no real advantages to be gained from the rules. For me, superbike should be just that, SUPERBIKE. You get X displacement, showup at the track and lets race...he who wins, wins....don't bitch cause you brought a knife to a gun fight. I hope Triumph gets back into racing, I pray for Benelli to continue doing well, I'd love to see Honda market some of the V5 technology so we can hopefully see 2-5 cyl. machines all racing together. Neil Garretson X0.5 | ||
| Mikej |
There are some reports on SacBorg from the Vegas show and ride, and apparently XB's will be at some demo show in Calif. in December. Neil, I'd like to see four classes of bikes: displacement limited, HP limited, stock, and unlimited. Displacement limited: You are limited to a set cc limit, but can do anything else you want to with the engine. HP limited: All bikes stop at the dyno on the way to the starting line and can't exceed a predetermined HP limit. But apart from that anything else is allowed. Stock: Buy it on Saturday, race it on Sunday, no mods allowed apart from maybe safety wiring. This would be the "blueprinters" class. DOT approved street tires would be required, stock means stock, licensed and preferrably ridden to the track on race day, and ridden back home again afterwards. Unlimited: As long as it only has two wheels, run what you got, no limits, no rules apart from somewhat fair play on the track. Shoot, you could run a jet engine in the bike if you can make it work and not fry the face off the rider behind you. Now, I should follow this up with that I don't follow the racing much, and I think the only race I've been to in the last 10 years was one in Milwaukee 16 months ago during the HOG-fest at the Milwaukee Mile track. Here a rant, there a rant, everybody rant rant. Next? | ||
| Jima4media |
Mikej, I follow a lot of racing, and I like your two classes - stock and unlimited, makes a lot of sense to me. It looks like the 500 GP will become the unlimited racing event in the future as Moto GP. You will be able to race just about any configuration of motor. Hondas V5 and Sauber's triple look the most interesting at the current time. We'll see how they do on the tracks. I wish the AMA would have a similar class in the United States, and World Superbike would do the same thing as well. Jim X-2.5 | ||
| Blake |
I sure will miss the twins. I won't be near as interested in racing cause I'm not near as interested in 4's. The truth is that WSB machines are already very near the usable HP limit anyway. Any more and the tires just get shredded. Who knows, maybe the twins will still be competitive. The extra displacement will allow the 4's to achieve a wider powerband while still keeping the same HP. That'll put them more on par with the twins. All else being equal, the twins should handle better though. GO DUCATI! GO APRILIA! GO HONDA! What about the 4-stroke versus 2-stroke scenario in dirtbike racing? You wanna do away with the displacement allowance for the four strokes too? | ||
| Lsr_Bbs |
All else being equal, the twins should handle better though. I won't totally agree w/ that statement...but THAT's what racing is all about...the balance between pros/cons of each design. I4's *might* make more peak hp, but (esp. the litre bikes) the design presents packaging problems...so you might be slower through the corners, but faster on straights...it's all a balance. Then we get to triples, maybe the best of both worlds, if a successful enough company could produce a winning model??? I'm curious though...why the single-minded love of twins??? They're all good in my view...no design is better than another, just different. Hell, it'd be boring if they were all the same. 2/4 stroke dirtbike racing...don't really have an opinion...don't care about that area, don't know anything about those bikes/designs/racing/etc...so I'll stay outta that one. Neil Garretson X0.5 | ||
| Blake |
Why I like twins? Half the parts, looks cool, sounds cool, slim, lean and mean. Fours sound like turbines to me. | ||
| Blake |
Oh, and most inline fours have zilch for low end. You gotta hit 5 digits on the tach to really get into the power. | ||
| Court |
"Keep thy eye on the tach thine ears on the engine least thy whirlybits seek communion with the sun" John 4:50 | ||
| Ralph |
Yeah, those Hayabusas got nothin' till ya wind em' up, huh Blake? bighaiyralph ' | ||
| Blake |
Well, relative to their peak HP, yes. But man, the busa's stock HP curve tracks on top of a Buell M2's curve, but above 5.5K rpm it just keeps climbing. It is truly awesome; I know firsthand. Thanks to Paul Starkweather for that.  I guess I should have clarified that I was referring to the 600cc and 750cc bikes. Thanks for keeping me honest BHR. | ||
| Xgecko |
Yes and a Busa has 325cc cylinders...those on their own generate a bit of torque no matter the configuration. | ||
| José_Quiñones |
 Case, Right Side  Case, Left Side  New Shifting Mechanism  New Shifting Mechanism, other side  Oil Jet, Reed Valve  Belt Drive & Idler Pulley | ||
| Jima4media |
JosZ, Where did you find the pictures? Do you have any of how you change the spark plugs? Jim X-2.5 | ||
| Ocbueller |
Jose, As always, you slay me.J SteveH | ||
| Lsr_Bbs |
Surprisingly flattering write-up on MO, see it here http://www.motorcycle.com/mo/mcbuell/xb9r.motml Nothing against Brad and ST, but nice to see less-biased reviews of the subject of much toe smashing around here. Really surprised the brake comments, wonder if that's a longevity vs. performance thing. On paper, that brake should pop the eyes out of your head. Hope its reliable, hope they do a "R" version...full fairing, 110+rwhp, real clipons, and fix those gauge graphics...or better yet, got a LCD panel. Neil Garretson X0.5 |
