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Boom_fist
Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2019 - 08:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Iím in need of new friction plates as I can feel my clutch slipping under hard acceleration. After some research, is Barnett the only option out there? Nothing else is even coming up for a replacement clutch...

Any feedback on the Barnett kit? Like/Dislike? Would like to purchase one ASAP, but would like to hear some feedback first.

Thanks,

-Tom
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Willmrx
Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2019 - 09:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have used three Barnett kits. What worked for me was, Barnett plates, stock springs.
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Nuts4mc
Posted on Thursday, March 14, 2019 - 11:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 Willmrx sez..stock springs ( Barnett's springs are toooo stiff)
a) the friction plates have small carbon fibre pads (vs the old Barnett stuff that looked like cork)...being carbon fiber ( hard and smoooth) they tend to polish the steel plates over time...I had to jitter bug sand my steel plates to get them to slip so I could shift into neutral...otherwise I could not get the bike to shift into neutral ( the plates were stuck ( stiction) to one another at low RPMs)
b) soak them in oil before you install ( follow the instructions)
c) check your slave cylinder ( the one down by the clutch) for leaks...might be time to upgrade to an Oberon kit too.
d) change your oil ( new oil , new clutch pack)
e) if you have a shop manual...read it over to understand the first steel plate install and the last fiber plate install...other wise very straight forward ( like a rice burner)
f) there are some youtube movies on the slave cylinder...might help with the clutch pack R&R
hth
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Boom_fist
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 06:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks guys!

Is there a place where I can buy JUST the friction plates then?

I'm due for an oil change anyway so it's a good time to knock it all out.

My slave cylinder isn't leaking, but I've thought of that too. If the Oberon kit wasn't so darn expensive I would just replace that while I'm in there. I guess I'll inspect it and then go from there.
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Nuts4mc
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 09:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Friction plates only? = No...Barnett sells a "kit" only...if you're short on cash and have time ...try my jitter bug sanding hint on your steel plates (80 grit) and maybe (320-400 grit) on the fiber ones to knock off any "glaze"... change the oil too...hth
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Boom_fist
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 10:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I mean, I want to fix the issue so if I need to spend the money I will, but Iím always up for an alternative.

Maybe Iíll take it apart and inspect it all. If the plates have some meat left Iíll try your sanding method. If theyíre beyond reviving, Iíll just order the kit.

Any tips on doing this clutch job for a first time Bueller?
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Snacktoast
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 11:59 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OE parts are still available from H-D dealers.

X0030.1AM - clutch friction plate, qty: 9
X0015.1AMA - steel plates, qty: 9
X0014.1AMA - steel plate, 1.5mm, qty: 1
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Willmrx
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 01:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

CG0007.1AMB clutch springs,qty 6
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Shoggin
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 03:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I resisted the Oberon slave for a long time because:

'It's expensive, and how different can it be!?!'

WOW! DO IT!
I put it in my super stiff 1190 and the clutch pull is HALF of what it used to be. Tested with a luggage scale. legitimately HALF and equal to the XB that has a brand new cable on it.


Page 36...

https://www.buellxb.com/forum/showthread.php?53018 -Well-Bye/page36&highlight=oberon+slave
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Willmrx
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 04:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It seems the price of the oberon has gone down.
https://st-paul-harley-davidson-buell.myshopify.co m/products/oberon-clutch-slave-cylinder-for-1125-m odels
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Shoggin
Posted on Friday, March 15, 2019 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Now you're just taunting the OP.

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Pwillikers
Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2019 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My experience with two different sets of the Barnett clutch for the 1125 has not been good. I've installed two separate sets (friction and steels) and both never disengaged fully always dragging. Both sets misbehaved identically. I swapped in the OEM springs with no change.

I eventually installed an HD OEM clutch (used the stock springs) and it has performed perfectly since. I suspect the Barnett stack height was excessive.
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Nuts4mc
Posted on Tuesday, March 19, 2019 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

+1 Pwillikers post...finding neutral with the barnetts is a PIA...gotta make sure I'm rolling and engage neutral BEFORE I come to a stop...gonna try the Oberon fix (I have the HD fix in now) hoping it will increase travel of the pull rod to disengage those plates...
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Boom_fist
Posted on Friday, April 12, 2019 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry I lost track of this thread guys!

I appreciate all the great input!

So, what I'm taking away from this is, some with the Barnett kit have had good success as long as you use the stock springs, correct?

Pwillikers and Nuts4mc, did you use the Barnett springs when you had your issues?
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Nuts4mc
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2019 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

no...the Barnett springs were way tooo stiff for daily use...
1) purchased the Oberon kit...did not help my issues ...still could not get it in neutral.
2) modified my friction plates by removing every other carbon "pad" on both sides of the every friction plate (used one of those vibrating sander/cutters with a pie shaped "head")
3) quick test last night fixed the shift into neutral issue...need to go on a longer test today...or tomorrow...finally warming up out here in the desert
4)suggest you take pwillikers course and use the OEM plates
hth
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Boom_fist
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2019 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That helps out a lot! Much appreciated man.

The best deal on OEM plates are New Castle HD, PA at $18.47 a piece which donít seem too bad. $183 shipped to my door.

Anyone find a better deal anywhere?
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Shoggin
Posted on Saturday, April 13, 2019 - 07:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sounds like a good deal, and you get to support the people that support us
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Boom_fist
Posted on Friday, April 26, 2019 - 06:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Update, sorry it has been a crazy past couple of weeks!

The OEM friction plates through the one HD online shop didnít have them in stock.

So, I ordered the Barnett kit and got it on Monday. I just tore apart the bike and removed what looks like an OEM clutch. The friction plates didnít look worn down, but the steel plates are glazed over pretty bad.

I think I could have gotten away with what Nuts4mc suggested by scuffing up the stock steels and probably would have been ok for a while.

I have inspected and compared the 2 different kits and they have slight differences.

Before installing the Barnett I was thinking of maybe scuffing up the steels?? Or is it necessary??

Any other advice for this install?
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Shoggin
Posted on Friday, April 26, 2019 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Check the total stack height, that's the cause of the neutral issue, and be sure to soak the frictions in oil overnight.

I wouldn't bother scuffing the steels. IMO. Theres lots of theory and old wives tales, but if it made any difference they'd come that way by now.
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Boom_fist
Posted on Saturday, April 27, 2019 - 09:08 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thatís exactly what the Barnett Rep said to do as well. He said the overall stack height should be the same. He also said the friction plates are slightly thinner to allow thicker steels for the glazing issues that owners were complaining about. Meh, donít know how much of that is actually true, but ok.

Theyíve been soaking overnight and Iím going to hopefully finish up today and get a test ride in. I think Iím going to attempt a coolant flush as well.

REALLY APPRECIATE ALL THE FEEDBACK FELLAS! Thank you!!!
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