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Fresnobuell
Posted on Monday, May 07, 2018 - 05:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Still waiting for my QS to arrive in the mail, however I figured I would start the thread now.

I was informed by the maker, the QS functionality can be activated in the ECM via the Buelltooth dongle and ECMDroid app, but cutout time can only be changed by ECMSpy or Tunerpro. The manufacturer says the "stock" cutout times in the race ECMs are fine (thus I shouldn't have to mess with the cutout times.)

Anyone have any feedback?

I saw a youtube video and I believe the guy said he set the 1-2 gear cutout at 70ms and the others at 60ms.
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Shoggin
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 12:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Stock timing works perfectly for me, and I mean "perfectly".
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Stimbrell
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have not had to touch cut out times, slightly reduced the length of the turnbuckle to increase sensitivity and that is it. Word of warning though, I have on several occasions had to brake harder than planned as I find myself accelerating quicker and approaching the next corner faster than expected.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 03:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Word of warning though, I have on several occasions had to brake harder than planned as I find myself accelerating quicker and approaching the next corner faster than expected.




Thanks for the warning. I am so looking forward to the ride this weekend.

QS arrived yesterday which was crazy fast from FL to CA. I just had to install it even though it was getting late. I have some pics and comments that i will add to the thread hopefully tonight.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 03:21 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Also, for yous guys who have already installed. Literally the hardest part was trying to get the sprocket cover back on....the edge seems to hit the wiring plug no matter how I orientated the plug. This doesn't let the cover seat correctly.

It was getting really late when I was fighting the cover, so I just left it off and started playing with ECMdroid (you know, the fun stuff). But were you all able to get the cover to fit properly?
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Hybridmomentspass
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 09:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can you tell me more about this product?
Who do you order from? What sort of cost?
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Barraspalding
Posted on Tuesday, May 08, 2018 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

google Buelltooth
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Stimbrell
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 04:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No problems with the cover on mine, I copied the routing of the wires and plugs from the photos in the instructions. The web page for the shifter is https://www.buelltooth.com/quickshifters.html Cost is $150 and they also do versions for the XBs, EBR 1190s and a rather tempting wide band tuning kit as well.

(Message edited by stimbrell on May 09, 2018)
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Mbest
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I see that the XB kit excludes the Uly, I haven't contacted them yet about why. Anyone adapt it to the XB12X?
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So with a fresh set of eyes and better light I was able to find the sweet spot for wiring plug and got the sprocket cover back on (without taking the dremel out). I routed the QS wire over the unit, not under and around the right side as the instructions show--perhaps this was part of my issue with getting the darn cover back on properly.

Here are some pics.


Package contents:




Installed:




Anther pic od installed unit:


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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pic of QS properly adjusted. Note my shifter arm has been lowered, which causes the front end to go up. Note the turnbuckle has been shortened ALL the way to get the QS adjusted to spec (appx 7mm of lever travel before the QS engages).




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Shoggin
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Drumroll please.......


How do you like it???
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 03:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Too slammed at work to take the Buell out, this weekend hopefully. I installed the QS the night I received it, but getting it into proper adjustment has been a slight challenge. Details below.

I will have to say the installation instructions are GREAT at the physical installation of the QS. It's not rocket science, but combined with the excellent photos and explanation. IT's a breeze.

The adjustment instruction leave something to be desired, however. They say it's "pre-adjusted" and that's true IF your shifter arm is in the original factory position. Hello. The shifter is probably the first thing I adjusted nearly 10 years ago. So needless to say, mine did not work correctly out of the box. I needed to shorten the turnbuckle ALL the way.

This leads me to the next tidbit of info that might be helpful for someone else. Since my turnbuckle has no more adjustment, I am screwed if I need to make the QS more sensitive. But apparently the two hex head screws can be loosened (see pic below) and there is supposed to room to rotate the sensor itself to give a little more room for adjustment.

So bottom line, the instructions should indicate that an adjusted shifter arm may cause the need to make serious changes to the turnbuckle. They should also indicate if you are running out of adjustment with the turnbuckle, it's possible to gain more adjustment by repositioning the sensor itself (see pic below.)





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Barraspalding
Posted on Wednesday, May 09, 2018 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Been in an enacted the QS functionality via ECMDroid (or similar)?
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, May 10, 2018 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, it's extremely easy to make the changes to the ECM via ECMDroid. And it was interesting the option to enable the QS functionality was already turned on in my race ECM. I guess it didn't hurt anything for it to be switched on without the input from a QS....

The only thing that was at all challenging was adjusting the QS to engage in the recommended range of shifter arm movement. As I mentioned earlier, the instructions are written assuming your shifter arm is in the factory position. That was an incorrect assumption for me. Had the instructions reflected the real world (ie ppl are going to move the shifter arm), I would have easily gotten it all done in one night.
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1life2live
Posted on Friday, May 11, 2018 - 07:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just got my QS in and installed it late last night. I already had the Buelltooth and have been playing around with tuning the bike for 2 weeks. At least for my Buelltooth ECM file sent to me (EBR with Stock Exhaust), it came already configured with the Shift options turned on.

The instructions were amazing and although I paid extra attention to Fresnobuell's issue with ensuring the wire connector routing was identical to the instructions, I still spent 10 minutes trying to get that cover on.

I loosened the top screw on the QS so I can move it out of the path of installing the cover bolt...then moved it back...

Looking forward to testing the QS out this weekend after Mother's Day.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 03:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Post first ride report.

I believe I need a shorter turnbuckle to make it a bit more sensitive for my shifting style/speed. If is consciously slowed my shift, it was magic at times. but when the pace got going, I reverted back to my natural shifting speed and it became a bit jerky.

It's obvious the QS works best in higher gears, higher RPMs (with the RPMs climbing.)

I was not able to turn the sensor body much at all to help gain some adjustment. looking at the screws I wasn't sure it would rotate, but the maker said it would turn some. Not sure if he's just telling me what I want to hear, but one would think the manufactuere would know the sensor doesn't rotate much/at all either way.

Oh well, I see potential but I am reserving final judgement until I get the shorter turnbuckle and adjust the sensitivity to match my shifting tendencies.
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Xbuell12s
Posted on Saturday, May 12, 2018 - 07:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have the same kit on my 1125CR. To make the adjustments, I bent the aluminum arm coming off the shifter and it has worked fine for me.
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Shoggin
Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2018 - 12:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And a quick shifter is really only meant for full throttle, close to redline shifts...... Don't remove your clutch lever just yet, lol.

The Buell ECM (The part that actually makes the ignition or ignition/fuel cut) is pretty rudimentary. It only knows to kill the ignition when the switch is closed. It doesn't know what gear its in, it doesn't refer to the TPS, it doesn't even look at the RPM.

I would be nearly impossible to make it work as perfectly as you desire at every rpm, TPS, gear, and different 'shifting' without a dedicated algorithm in the ECM. Like a $23k Ducati or BMW has now, 10 years later, haha.

Use it for what it is. An inexpensive, very effective upshift assist. It will be awesome and 95% perfect. But thats all it can be. 95%.

Adjust it correctly, turnbuckle, bend the tab, or move your shifter closer to normal and you should be happy.
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Stimbrell
Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2018 - 05:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I spent some time adjusting the turnbuckle and I can upshift smoothly at any rpm, bike sounds like it's an automatic round town, I just maintain throttle position and shift gear as I always do.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2018 - 12:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Let me clarify a little bit. I am not changing my shifter to accommodate the QS. It's rotated one spline down (CW) and has been since the day I purchased her new almost 10 years ago (wow, I can't believe that!) The adjustments of the QS are to adapt to the QS to my shifter position. My lack of ankle flex dictate the shifter arm position.

The kit is designed out of the box for the shifter to be in the factory position. There is no mention of this in the instructions or website AFAIK. The manufacturer seems surprised at my "predicament," and it's led to some interesting emails between the two of us.

This leads me to my opinion of the gentleman who runs/owns buelltooth.com. He's prompt to return emails, which is great. But his answers are short and he doesn't offer any elaboration that might make it easier on the customer's end. Basically, he sends you the info HE thinks you should have an will ignore the rest of your email. I knew this was going to be the case even before I purchased when I asked for him to email me the install instructions both before and after I purchased the QS with Buelltooth. That's just a .pdf file he could have attached easily to either email and he chose to ignore me. Perhaps this is the way in 2018 but that shit doesn't fly with me and it basically set the stage for the post-sale interaction.

This QS is both a concern for my safety as well as the safety of my transmission so god damn right I am going to make sure I am installing correctly, especially when the instructions do not address a simple thing like a customer moving his shifter arm "out of factory" position...plus I am documenting here so I don't want to post incorrect information based on my assumptions alone.

The owner? chastised me in the last email after I asked for confirmation that the sensor body actually rotates when loosening the two screws circled in red above. (Important note: The sensor body doesn't rotate unless you disconnect the turnbuckle for some reason I still can't figure out). "PLease use some common sense before emailing me" was the last line in his email. Then he sends another email seconds later correcting himself that the turnbuckle DOES NOT have to be released to rotate the sensor. Really? I felt like writing back "Please use common sense and make sure to send correct information before insulting a customer." Again for clarification here, the turnbuckle DOES have to loose in order for the sensor to be rotated. If you can tell me why, I am all ears...

Anyhow, I know this shifter is rudimentary compared to systems out there. I have no illusions that this is going to be great in all circumstances. Going for another ride today after I adjusted it to engage about 2-3 mm sooner than yesterday.

Will report back. Sorry for the long semi-rant above...
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Shoggin
Posted on Sunday, May 13, 2018 - 04:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow. Ok then.

Glad you got the adjustment where you like it on your bike. Have fun with it. I think it's a great addition.
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1life2live
Posted on Monday, May 14, 2018 - 08:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My First Ride impression $.02

Before I set out, I went ahead and did the Live Data feed watching the Resting shifter position vs the shift up position. The instructions state 225ish and 25ish respectively. I could adjust it for the resting state to be 225, but the closest I could get for the update shift was 28.
I'm not sure if it has to be 100 apart or not to be honest.

Back to the first ride. I didn't attempt the QS until going into 3rd gear around 6,500 rpm. It seemed like the delay (ms) was too long for 3rd.

That being said, 4th - 6th was so seemless it was crazy. So maybe I was doing something wrong for 3rd. I tried this many times for about 45 minutes.

As of now, I'm super impressed with the QS! The cost is low and it is an impressive new feature to add to the bike.
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Hitman13429
Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2018 - 11:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How is 1st to 2nd gear with this? Does it jerk? I currently use the clutch for first to second and then no clutch for the rest of the gears.
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Shoggin
Posted on Tuesday, May 15, 2018 - 07:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That's about right, or just let off the throttle a tad. Less than normal clutchless shifting. The 1-2 shift is the biggest especially at lower RPM's.

I've noticed changing the engine braking with tuning also affects the amount of kill time it likes. So your tune may like a different setting.
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Skntpig
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2018 - 06:44 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

FYI the dynojet QS on an 1190 doesn’t make the 1-2 shift totally smooth either. A QS won’t make a regular bike into an automatic and the 1-2 shift will still be a significant difference in gear ratio. Glad someone is supporting these machines with new products.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2018 - 06:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't think 1-2 shift will ever be non-jerky. Plan on using your clutch there unless you are going for broke once in a while.

I made mine more sensitive after rotating the sensor body all the way CW. I went from 7mm on my first test ride to about 4mm of travel before the engine cut. This is about half of the recommended amount. I would even like it to cut out a bit sooner but I don't want to make it any more touchy. A few times I inadvertently touched the shifter and cutout the motor.

There is a bit of a learning curve after shifting a certain way for 15 years. This is a cool unit and I think once I adapt to it a bit better...it's gonna be awesome.

Banging thru the gears in a full tuck at WOT like a racebike is downright cool (and fooking fast.) And to think this is actually better for your clutch is also a bonus.

Going for another test ride Sunday....
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Willmrx
Posted on Friday, May 18, 2018 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Fresnobuell, Thanks for your post! You got me wanting to get a QS! I am Going to order one!
And thank you for going through the learning curve and sharing it! You made it easyer for me to install mine!
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Saturday, May 19, 2018 - 02:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There is also an added feeling of control with having your left hand firmly planted on the handle bar and not using the clutch lever. And in reality during WOT acceleration both hands are not moving and firmly planting on the bars. Again, a totally different feeling than the previous 15 years of riding. However, it's a positive change and kinda confidence inspiring IMHO. For as much fun this QS is....At $200, it's a no brainer. Again, IMHO.
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Camarorick
Posted on Thursday, June 21, 2018 - 05:28 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Literally the hardest part was trying to get the sprocket cover back on"
The instructions say to cut the cover however since i love my buell I wanted to avoid this. Turns out the included spacer to the rear was interfering with the cover, I took it back off and grinded a flat spot where it was hitting the cover. Fits like stock now

I have not got much ride time with the BT QS but from the rides to work it flat out rips. Running an EBR race ECM had to adjust the switch and set the correct feedback setting in the ECM. Works perfect. I ran a 10.8@126 stock I wanna get it back out to the track since filter, exhaust, tune, and QS installed
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