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Thefleshrocket
Posted on Wednesday, September 27, 2017 - 01:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've been a faithful user of DP Brakes HH+ pads for quite a while, and have been very happy with their performance characteristics. They have great initial bite, cold or hot, which is very important to me. (I hate high-initial-effort pads.) They also have great stopping power overall, don't dust, are quiet, and last "a while". Unfortunately, the last two sets (part number SDP993) I have gotten have fragmented off friction material and damaged my 1125R's brake rotor. I am reaching out to DP Brakes to see if they'll help me out (I'd like two new sets of pads and a new rotor), but if they tell me to take a hike (since brake pads have no warranty), then I'll go elsewhere.

Here's my thought process thus far. (I'm posting this partially for informational purposes, and partially to just keep track of it for myself.)

EBC HH compound - I have previously used this on a couple bikes ('03 GSX-R1000, '03 Z1000) and thought it was decent--until I tried the Vesrah SRJL-17 compound, which is positively epic. It's all of the best qualities of the DP Brakes HH+ compound.. except it's not available for the 1125R. I consider EBC pads in general to be inferior (bad experiences with them on cars, too) and won't use them.

Vesrah RJL compound - It is available for the 1125R (or at least was), but the set that I used on my '05 Speed Triple were about on par with the EBC HH. I replaced them with DP Brakes HH pads, which were much better. An inferior product. Also, no longer available for the 1125s, so.. yeah.

Vesrah SRJL-XX compound - Part number is VD-9038JL. Description says initial bite is comparable to the RJL, so it's out. Also, the graph on this page shows that it's far inferior to the SRJL-17 when cold. https://www.kurveygirl.com/shop/product_info.php?c Path=29_269_270&products_id=721&osCsid=9edo1ji87fr bd9eho4o3mei5h7

Galfer 1370 compound - I've used this on my SV650. It was an improvement over the EBC HH, relatively speaking, but not nearly as good as the DP HH or SRJL-17. Also, Galfer's website doesn't list any pads available for the 1125s--just the wave rotor.

Ferodo ZRAC compound - Part number FDB2240ZRAC. I have reached out to www.braketech.com support for more info about this pad. The description says "contains pads for one caliper", but I suspect that's a generic text and "one caliper" means "one traditional caliper that takes two pads", not the 4-pad ZTL2. $120 is a bit pricey but I'd pay it if the pad was good enough. But if it's $240 to get a set for the 1125R, that's pushing it. http://www.motosport.com/ferodo-sintered-zrac-race -brake-pads?mmy=buell%3B1125r%3B2008&mmy_source=pd p

Ferodo also offers an HH compound, part number FSB2240ST, but it appears to be inferior across the board compared to the XRAC and ZRAC. Only the XRAC is listed on the graph on this page, but the ZRAC is supposed to be "better". http://www.ferodoracing.com/products/motorcycle/br ake-pads-and-shoes/sintergrip-road-st/

Braking HH - Part number 939CM55. Not sure if this is any good or not. MSRP is apparently $70.90 for a 4-pad set, so enough for the ZTL2. http://www.braking.com/catalogue/dettaglio_prodott o.php?codice_articolo=939CM55
http://www.braking.com/DIS/sito/documenti_allegati /65_link_inglese_ONROAD-CM55&CM56.pdf


SBS - Part number 856 HS. Don't really have any concrete info about this pad, but it appears to be a street-based HH pad. http://uk.sbs.dk/business-areas/motorcycle.aspx?mc search_productview=1&area=MC&make=2500&method=GetI tems&category=1&engine=1125&yearfrom=2008&yearto=2 010&modelname=R%20(XB3___e4___1455)&modelnumber=0&language=uk&catalo gnumber=856&end=front

EDIT - One more..
Brembo SC compound. Part number 07HD19SC. Description claims to have good cold and hot bite and "consistent performance". The graph on this page (little icon on the left) looks like the SC compound is better for cold bite than the RC compound. http://moto.brembo.com/en/detail/07HD19/buell/r/1125/2008/pads/front/SC/0
Available on Ebay from international sellers, and not cheap. https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=07HD19.SC&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.X07HD19SC.TRS0&_nkw=07HD19SC&_sacat=0

Brembo also offers the SA compound - part number 07HD19SA. This one is definitely a much lower coefficient of friction compared to the SC compound. (Again, click the little graph icon on the left to view.)
http://moto.brembo.com/en/detail/07HD19/buell/r/1125/2008/pads/front/SA/0

I'm looking for input from anyone who is familiar with the Ferodo ZRAC, Braking, or SBS pads. Or, if there's another pad that's out there that is as fantastic as the SRJL-17 or DP HH+, I would love to hear about it.



(Message edited by thefleshrocket on September 27, 2017)
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Terrys1980
Posted on Saturday, September 30, 2017 - 12:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

To add to the mix EBC now has the EPFA454/4HH which is far better than the traditional FA454/4HH pads...
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Rsh
Posted on Saturday, September 30, 2017 - 03:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I believe the EBR WSBK team used SBS brake pads, SBS 856DS are the race pads.
SBS offers street/sport brake pads as well, same number but with HS designation.
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Snacktoast
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2017 - 10:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, both the AMA and WSBK EBR teams used SBS DS pads which were as good as it gets for track use.
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Skntpig
Posted on Monday, October 02, 2017 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nissin 2015 as long as I can find them.

I had a set of EBC extreme HH delaminate after 4 laps and on a new rotor. Topped out and no brakes at the end of the back straight at PBIR is no fun. Top of 6th gear into a 2nd gear corner. Please be careful with budget pads.
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Rodrob
Posted on Monday, October 23, 2017 - 08:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

IMHO -
2015s - are the best. RIP

SBS DS - are great for track (never used on street but for me they would be fine based on track use.

EBC EPFA HH - are fine for fast street riding.

Brembo - My RSV4 came with these stock. They are great for initial bite. Perhaps a bit too touchy for me.

Ferodo XRAC - Not the bite of the Brembo but great feel. Work fine on the street as well as track.
(ZRAC claim to have more initial bite. Haven't tried them.

DP Brakes - I have a set of these that I wanted to try on my 1190RS race bike, but the thin pad material scared me off. About 2/3 that of the SBS and 2015s. Probably stupid but I can't afford to waste a rotor.

I just put an EBC rotor on my street 1125R with the pads that came from a stock 1190RS caliper (Nissin?) Seems to work fine. A little lighter than the EBR 1190 rotor as well.

I've re-used rotor bolts with blue loctite. No issues. Try at your own risk.
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