| Author | Message | ||
     Mrsuperbuckets |
So I stumbled across a youtube video and everybody was hating on the 1125, for its lack of power, and I just dont understand why. The 2009+ r1 produces roughly the same hp and less torque, heck every inline 4 produces less torque. Why does it seem so many people hate on the buell? They hate on the looks, technology,power and innovations. I would like to hear everyones opinion on this topic. | ||
| Brokengq |
Link to the vid? They're probably just jealous  | ||
| Terrys1980 |
I think it is mostly ignorance and the fact that Buells were a Harley product. | ||
| 04colly |
Most of them don't really know what it is. If it isn't a Jap rice burner it isn't a bike in their mind lol | ||
| Tbowdre |
Buell's in general require a little bit more passion. Every other motorcycle, particularly Japanese engineered bikes, require little mechanical knowledge (dealers/mechanics everywhere), have nice spec sheets and conform to what every other bike looks like (dual discs, gas tank) Buell's racing program has always sucked ass... WSK is just the latest in our attempts. The fall out from the 1125R winning the daytona sport bike championship. The XBRR campaign. It does seem like we have real chance of kicking some ass as the EBR bikes sell and become Updated/better with development Unless you have owned a BUELL there is almost no way to explain it to someone. One of my riding buddy's just got an 1125R after riding with me for a couple years and swapping bikes with me a few times. He can not believe how nice they are to work on and thinks it has great power, loves it at the track.... He got rid of an 1199 Panigale that was in the shop all the time and required 2 replacement engines (total lemon) All this makes me even more loyal to the brand Right now you can not buy more sport bike for less money than what an '08 or 09 1125R is going for... by far the best value out there in used bikes | ||
| Brokengq |
^^ that. What steers new riders away from Buell is a fear that parts are unavailable. But how many times have we run into a situation where there is a complete lack of parts? I for one never have. There are enough bikes being parted out etc. etc. that we have a decent influx of parts for the foreseeable future, not to mention that there are still HDB dealers pumping parts out and a lot of EBR parts are a direct fit, and never forget what the boys are TM are doing for us. Once those options run out I for one will be swapping to an 1190 motor to keep parts available. On the XB side of things there are just as many different ways to get around the parts problems. HD part hotswaps, aftermarket parts, etc. Jap owners are riders. Buell owners are passionate riders. There's a difference. | ||
| Dhays1775 |
I've talked to many riders of many bikes, and they all like their ride. But Buell riders (usually) LOVE their bikes. Most Buell riders are great people, willing to help each other. These bikes aren't like the cookie cutter bikes made by every other manufacturer, and that makes them stand out a little more. I'm not the fastest rider, but I've taken out Ducati's and chased down and passed many riders of faster bikes. Maybe Rogue_biker can chime in here, it's about how much FUN and easy these bikes are to ride fast. | ||
| Brokengq |
I think its just a matter of perspective. Look at the Facebook group for BuellXB. There are some real asshats in there too, always showing the same 4 pics of their bike, claiming how their Buell is the best Buell and THEY got the best deal and THEY know exactly what they're talking about, bashing other Buell riders, etc. It's all about showing off to some people, and when they feel like their ego is threatened they have to chime in. The Buell's threatened the Jap bikes egos. Always a matter of perspective. (Message edited by brokenGQ on November 01, 2014) | ||
| Mrsuperbuckets |
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=29kwDjwirVc | ||
| Court |
Look closely at that video . . . it's an All-Star (regardless of your brand loyalty) line-up on some of the best motorcycle engineers their are. Even the ones walking past . . not talking on camera . . .represent some amazing talent | ||
| Crowley |
'Men sometimes stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing happened' (Winston Churchill) That's what I think of Buell haters  | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
Ricers don't like Harleys....and Buell was affiliated with them. | ||
| Froggy |
Youtube comments in general are a cesspool, regardless of what the content of the video is. It is full of trolls, ass hats, and people that argue for the sake of arguing. I would pay no mind to comments on there. | ||
| Sprintst |
Well I ride with Busa's, BMW S1000R's, you name it. I've never felt deficient. I've never had trouble keeping up Do we make as much power? No. Are we ultimately as fast? No. But on the street, I'm not having issues. Last weekend had a ZX14 and I do a number of 80 to 140 mph runs and I didn't have an issue. I typically have 100 lbs more on me than the guys on the faster bikes and I'm not struggling to hang with them. Tech? Modern Rotax engine, innovative features that have been adopted by the whole industry (under bike exhaust for example) and overall they are incredibly easy to work on So, ignore it!! (Message edited by sprintst on November 02, 2014) (Message edited by sprintst on November 02, 2014) | ||
| Albert666 |
i remember back in the day when the 1125r was being developed and jeremy mcwilliams who helped with development said "its a great bike but it'll never sell in large numbers in europe as it doesn't look like a gsxr" i can go to a bike meet on my 1125r and the wife on her xb12s and they'll get some attention as they're different but if i go on my rc51 people are like "wow great bike etc" which i personally don't get on another note yesterday world superbike qualifying geoff may got into the top 20 thus securing a place in superpole 2 and in those 15 minutes i saw more of the 1190 on tv than i've seen all year | ||
| Figorvonbuellingham |
What channel? | ||
| Albert666 |
Eurosport | ||
| Rogue_biker |
I never understood the hatred and trash-talk a lot of "outsiders" heap on Buells. Most times these folks have never owned one. Before I got my XB12R Firebolt, so many of my riding "associates" tried to talk me out of it. Yes, same people who have never owned one. Yet the first time I test rode a friend's XB9R I was hooked! So much character. I remember reading an article by Aaron Frank of Motorcyclist magazine. Aaron trash talked and whined and bitched like a little girl about how the Buell XB12R wasn't like a mainstream bike! I even had a heated email exchange directly with him back then. It's people like Aaron Frank who prefer to have cookie cutter bikes who help perpetuate negativity against something that is different. But it is being different and unique that sets the Buells apart. So go figure! As for power, please don't forget that the 1125R was one of the more powerful offerings in its class in 2008! One should not compare the 1125R to current bikes or inline fours when it comes to power. That's not Apples to Apples! Once you get to a certain power to weight ratio it's not all about power any more. How often can you use 150+ rwhp in the street? This is why most bikes today have traction control because you just can't control that much more power without "divine intervention". The unique qualities and looks of the Buells are its calling card. Without these the bike is just like any other bike: "Mainstream" in the words of that little whiny-azz, Aaron Frank. But in addition to being unique the 1125R can actually perform like a modern sportbike. Mass centralization was Buell's tagline before everyone else adopted it! Now the Italians and Japanese are throwing around "mass centralization" like it was the Second Coming! Remember when everyone had their exhaust stacks high up under the seat? Now everyone wants it under the engine! LOL! I'm still waiting for someone to put the fuel in the frame. Buell maximized mass centralization and that's one of the reasons why the 1125R's handle so well and are so easy to ride fast. If anyone has any doubt about Buell's design philosophy and how it stacks up to modern machinery, just read Cycle World's comparison of the EBR 1190RX vs the 1199 Panigale. These two bikes were head to head and the Buell still came out on top as a better street bike, as well as being a lot better in the midrange power too. When given full control of the reigns, Buell can design and release ultra-competitive, very high performance bikes just like Ducati and Japan, Inc. Oh well, I'm preaching to the Choir here. | ||
| Rogue_biker |
Albert, the RC51 was a great superbike. Still is. But one can clearly see the design philosophy of the time: 1,000 cc V-twin with high mount exhaust, and heavy frames. The Honda was one of the heaviest in its class followed closely by Aprilia. But in its day the RC51 was one of the better examples because people generally didn't like the Ducati 999 because it looked like a Cyclops! LOL! The 999 was unique in its aesthetics and many folks didn't like that about it. Same with the Aprilia with it's tripe headlight treatment. These are even more rare in the USA. But let me tell you, right now Panigale's are like belly buttons around here! So are GSXR's, R1's, and BMW S1000R's. BMW sells tons of S1000R's because they have the financing and distribution power along with competitive pricing. It helps that the bike is one of the most powerful around too! Buell's big hurdle right now is distribution (customer accessibility) and financing. If EBR can get a "vehicle" that will overcome this marketing hurdle, he will sell a whole lot more 1190RX/XS's! I'll be honest, if I were in the market for a $19,000 bike, it's going to be a near toss up between the Panigale 1199 and the EBR 1190RX. The only advantage the Ducati has is in my eyes: the Single sided swing arm. Other than that, the RX wins in most other categories. 6 rwhp horsepower more on the Panigale won't make ANY difference to me when these bikes are well beyond 150 rwhp already! (Message edited by rogue_biker on November 03, 2014) | ||
| Advanguard |
My brother swapped with me and he is quite an aggressive rider. He rides a 1000 jap bike, he loved the linear torque, and snappy cornering. Me personally never take it that far, I cant afford to dump it. I like the uniqueness, break the mold of what a street bike suppose to look like. I am the outcast rebel that Harley riders used to be, and the street bikers don't know what to think of me. | ||
| Sprintst |
I remember all the negative press on the Buell, and I admit I bought into at the time, so much so that in 2008 I had a chance to do a Buell demo day and quickly dismissed the thought. I hadn't experienced a Vtwin at that time, found the single caliper too different, belt drive too restrictive, etc... the weird pods......all the stuff the magazines bashed Fast forward a few years when I needed to go to a SS type bike, and HD had shut down Buell. The prices were great on the used 2008 I bought, my buddy had a Uly he really liked, so I gave Buell a shot. (also I had ridden an 1098 and came to appreciate a vtwin) I loved the handling, power.... and they were a joy to work on. So much so that when I totaled my 2008, I considered a 1098, a KTM RC8, jap bikes, etc.... and I bought........a 2009 1125R. It's just a great bike for me, once I got past the prejudice and gave it a chance. | ||
| 04colly |
}and that is exactly it. It's too different that it scares people. Don't want to except something different at all. I used to ride kawasaki but then i rode my buddies xb9sx and that changed everything. |
