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Clk92vette
Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2014 - 08:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone have experience with these tires at the track? My new old '08 came shod with the original Pirelli on the front and one of these on the rear. I am looking to take advantage of the fact that I can buy the set of these for about $180 right now. I am happy with the rear tire on my bike for the street, but haven't had a chance to get her on the track yet.
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Nukeblue
Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2014 - 08:57 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

used conti sport attacks on track once. and at race pace. they worked great. not sure about those though
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Mackja
Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2014 - 01:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Don't skip on tires, street tire do not do well on the track. You can buy a set of Dunlop slicks for a 325-350. Unless you are really fast they will last too. When a tire let's go, you are down quick, so save money on tires, then spend more to fix your bike. If you don't have tire warmer go with Pirelli superbike pros no warmers needed. Q3 or Rosa corsa at the minimum.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2014 - 02:32 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Which class? Novice you are probably fine with street tires, maybe even intermediate if you are just getting into it.
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Nobuell
Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2014 - 03:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a set of Michelin Pilot Power 3 tires left over. They have 1 wet track day on them. I can give you a good deal. They are great performance DOT tires for your bike.

Regarding the ContiMotion tires, they are not premium sport bike tires but are sport touring tires.

PM me if you are interested.
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Nukeblue
Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2014 - 04:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ah they are sport touring tires. I'd recommend only use those if you're novice
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Xb9er
Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2014 - 05:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I wouldn't recommend a sport touring tire on the track. If you enjoy that tire, just buy another set of tires for the track. I raced with Michelin Power Cup's. Awesome tires and should last 2-3 track days if you're not an advanced track rider.
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Stirz007
Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2014 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Agreed - tires are everything on the track and if you save yourself one tuck or lowside, the cost of good skins is negligible. Plus, your fun rate will go up quite a bit!

Pirelli, Dunlop, Michelin all make DOT's that work pretty well at the track, so there's that option with the tourers wear out. Most slicks are going to necessitate the additional cost of front/rear stands/warmers. Pirelli Red Stripes (an exception) are designed to be run without warmers, wear like iron, give decent predictable grip characteristics and are relatively cheap (do a lap or two before pushing them, though). If you decide to try slicks, these are a good way to test the waters before spending bucks on stands and warmers.

Your local track day tire guy is your friend for selection and set-up.

Have fun.
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Thefleshrocket
Posted on Thursday, October 16, 2014 - 09:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You'll really dumb if you bin your bike because you "saved" $70 on unsuitable tires. Q3s should do well for novice and intermediate, provided you don't try to ride like you're Marquez. If you get good enough, buy a spare set of tires and use track rubber.

The spousal safety committee has banned me from doing track days due to the time and expense of my injuries at the track--and at least two of those crashes were from me cheaping out. If I'd spent $300 on new tires or bought tire warmers, I'd probably still get to go to the track. : (
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Skntpig
Posted on Friday, October 17, 2014 - 04:15 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had a buddy scratch every stock plastic he had by saving $59 on a set of tires. It proved to be a mistake he was reminded of many times.

+1 Pirelli red stripe if you don't mind the slick. Look for Diablo Superbike pro. That's their real name. I've gotten 5 trackdays on them of 3-4 sessions each day using warmers at advanced pace on a 600.
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Clk92vette
Posted on Friday, October 17, 2014 - 08:19 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I run in the intermediate class at Nelson's Ledges in Ohio. I generally only get a day or two in per season. All my previous days were run on the Pirelli Corsa's and I was very happy with these tires. I am not so concerned about spending the extra cash but I would like to get some more mileage out of my tires. It would be nice to have a spare set of wheels and run race slicks at the track.
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99buellx1
Posted on Friday, October 17, 2014 - 04:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Slicks are overkill for trackday use IMO.
The hypersport DOT street tires and track use DOT's have amazing ability that gets very similar to Slicks at this point, and at trackday speeds you will never see the difference.

Your best bet may be to look at the wera, or similar, board to see if there are some fast guy takeoffs available. If you're just looking to use them for one or two days some scrubs can be a great choice.
Look for/ask about heat cycles, not total use. If they are really blue looking near the edges, like that oil on water look, I would avoid them.


My race bike has never had slicks, and at no point has that been something that was holding me back.
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Thefleshrocket
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2014 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Tires, especially track-specific tires, have a set amount of heat cycles they can go through before their overall level of traction degrades significantly. The problem with takeoffs is that the tires have sometimes heat-cycled out, even though they have plenty of tread left. While you might get a set of meaty tires on the cheap, they may not serve you as well as you'd expect.
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Swamp2
Posted on Monday, October 20, 2014 - 01:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a 2000 X1 with fresh set of these Conti Motions on it. I did my first track day ever (total novice) this year and I had no issues/obvious limitations i can attribute to the tires.

Probably not all that helpful to you given my lack of track day experience - but in general I think these tires are very good value...
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Peeweesp
Posted on Sunday, October 26, 2014 - 01:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No need for slicks, i know guys who run race pace on Pirelli DRC's, Any decent dot sportbike tire will work at a trackday.
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Jdugger
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2014 - 07:47 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> Slicks are overkill for trackday use IMO.

Disagree.

Sure, modern DOT race tires are darn near as good as full on slicks, but slicks last longer and they are less prone to tearing.

It's not so much that a DOT tire isn't good enough, it's just that a slick is better.
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Stirz007
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2014 - 03:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It really comes down to what you want from a track day. For first couple of seasons at the track I ran DOT's (Pirelli, Dunlop) and did fine at B group pace. When I switched to slicks, my lap times dropped dramatically (I'm sure part of that was psychological) and I never looked back. At A group (race) pace, DOT's are rare but out there on the track.

So to the OP I'd offer this: Run what you got for first couple of times out, then go to softer compound DOT's, then slicks as your pace goes up. Be sure and adjust air pressure for track vs. street, especially for those harder compound tires. Again, track day tire guy can help there. At the end of the day it's about having fun and coming home in one piece.
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Jdugger
Posted on Tuesday, October 28, 2014 - 05:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> At the end of the day it's about having fun
> and coming home in one piece.

I do my best not to come in last.

I make sure I come in Monday.
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