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     Wolfo68 |
http://www.ketv.com/news/local-news/multiple-injur ies-reported-in-motorcycle-crash/-/9674510/2081603 8/-/51cm2r/-/index.html He crashed last night and his friend that was riding on the back passed away. Please keep him in your thoughts. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Sorry to hear that Colby. Prayers for everyone involved. Ride safe and ride smart everyone. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Anyone responsible for putting an 18 year old kid one a liter bike needs their head examined. How sad, I hate to hear these things. Hope he wasn't a friend of yours. RIP | ||
| Craigg |
RIP "Anyone responsible for putting an 18 year old kid one a liter bike needs their head examined." I'd say you need your head examined for a comment like this. Motorcycles are dangerous no matter what size engine you have, or what age you are. You have no idea how long the kid was riding for or anything that actually took place that caused the crash. | ||
| Wolfo68 |
He is my friend, he is still alive. His friend was riding as a passenger and they were both thrown when he lost control in a turn (according to the news), the passenger died at the scene. I went out to the road today and the only thing you can see from where the accident was is a small cross on the side of the road left there for him. I don't take anything the news says around here as fact, they give riders a bad rep because they can. This isn't the only bike he's ever ridden, and he wasn't riding alone. It wasn't like he was out stunting like a moron. | ||
| Craigg |
Wolf really sorry for your loss. | ||
| Brumbear |
That sucks sorry man | ||
| Two_seasons |
Sorry about your loss, our's too! 1125 community is a small one. We lost a BadWebber this Spring in Iowa. Bettendorf to be exact. His screen name was Cheez2158 and Chuck Osborne was his given name. Chuck rode an 1125 too. Never got to meet Chuck. He was going to come to Homecoming this year for the first time. Sad he wasn't here. Be careful out there. | ||
| Dannybuell |
my sincerest condolences. | ||
| Clutchreaper |
It's sad to hear of these crashes. Witnesses make it sound like he was hauling ass. The final report of the investigation will give the facts. The media does twist shit. Let us know what the results of the investigation are if you can. | ||
| Wolfo68 |
The problem is that these bikes are loud and people assume loud means fast. That turn is at most a 50 degree angle, I'm hoping it's not the case that people threw sand down on the corner to get people to slow down. The speed limit coming into town is 40, not too sure about what it is heading out but it's usually faster in that town. I'm still awaiting a response from anyone in his family saying it's okay to visit him in the hospital, but I'll try to keep you guys updated. | ||
| Jgarner99 |
>>"The problem is that these bikes are loud and people assume loud means fast." Sorry, Wolf, but no, these bikes are NOT loud. The aftermarket exhausts that some owners put on are loud, but you can't blame the bike for that. Regardless, I hope your friend comes through alright. | ||
| Clutchreaper |
I don't mean to sound like an a$$ hole here, but I want to give a fair warning. If the police investigation shows your friend was riding excessively over the limit, and he lost control in the turn because of it, he could end up being charged with manslaughter or reckless homicide. He could also face a wrongful death lawsuit. He is very young in regards to be having to deal with those consequences for making poor judgment calls that could ruin his life. I really hope the investigation shows this is NOT one of those cases. | ||
| Nvbuell |
My condolences Wolf. I agree with some of the posts here in that you modify a stock exhaust and its loud. 20mph can sound like 80mph. Anytime your riding with someone on the back, my wife accompanies me all the time, you need to give extra room in every direction and have eyes in the back of your head. Again, my condolences to you and his family. Too young to live with whats happened. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
I hear about these things all the time in other forums, and most of the time an 18 year old is too immature to handle a liter bike as compared to a 10 year old 600, a cruiser, or better yet a two fifty. So far two for me this summer, in both cases it was their first bike. There's no comparison whatsoever between a liter+ sportbike and appropriate beginner's bike, and most 18 year olds just don't have that kind of judgement or impulse control. The best friend, parent or morally bankrupt motorcycle salesman responsible for failing to mentor these kids or selling them a beast is who I'm referring to. I hope your friend is the exception to this rule, and yes, everybody goes down. It's a terrible situation, I hope it wasn't his fault, and I hope he's not charged with anything. This is a worst case scenerio for him no matter how it turns out, I'm really sorry to hear it. All that being said, if you had stated you knew the guy to start with, I wouldn't have chimed in with the douchetard moto-civics lesson. I assumed you were posting up a random crash in your area. Sorry man. | ||
| 1eyert |
Sadly, this happens all to often and as an RN of 25+ years I have seen the aftermath. Also why I paid for my son to take the MSF course before he got his first bike, a Blast. Something he could learn on for a year or so before moving up...sorry for your friend and his passenger. My prayers are with them. | ||
| Oldog |
I'm hoping it's not the case that people threw sand down on the corner to get people to slow down. You might want to go check that out if some thing like that was done and is documented then your friend may not be in too much trouble the sander may be looking at manslaughter charges, and a wrongful death suit. my condolences to the family of the deceased, and GWS to your friend please keep us posted. | ||
| Wolfo68 |
So John posted on another forum this morning confirming one of my theories. Despite what the news reported on what the Sheriff's office said, he confirmed that the SUV, that barely got reported on, pulled out in front of him. It wasn't while he was passing and he was nowhere near the 100mph that the "witness" said. He was going relatively close to the speed limit (within 5mph) They didn't take any interviews from people that saw it (the people that were riding with). He confirmed that he has 10 broken ribs, a burst spleen, 3 cracked vertebra, and both lungs collapsed on top of his road rash. (Message edited by wolfo68 on July 07, 2013) | ||
| Stevenfrye |
The quote of people deliberately fodding the road out is wrong and they deserve to be arrested and prosecuted for felony crimes. F.O.D: an aircraft term coined by us in naval aviation meaning foreign object damage, generally used to describe any debris that when ingested or make contact with machinery will cause an adverse or damaging effect. | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Wolfo- Geezus that's awful. There's nothing you can do about the cager turning left in front of you. That's completely different from what was reported. I hope someone makes them report a retraction. One of my best friends is an LEO, his ex partner was a motor officer....minivan turned left in front of him on his way home this spring...the funeral was massive. My ex girlfriend had a Mercedes pull out in front of her Ninja. She stoppied and the car missed her by a handspan, it came over and cracked all her ribs, broke her ankle. Nothing you can do. Any charges for the driver? They've indirectly ruined lives here, and killed a man. If one of us causes a crash they call us hooligans and throw the book at us. | ||
| Clutchreaper |
Gotta love the way the media just tries to play to the general public's views. The local news and newspapers are run by dickheads looking to make it big by writing headlines instead of investigative reporting. I'm glad your friend wasn't at fault, but it is a long road for him now after incurring those injuries and the death of a friend. They better charge that SUV driver with something unforgettable. Hopefully the sheriffs office will do the right thing here. | ||
| Wolfo68 |
With how things have been here, I bet they don't do a whole lot to the driver of the SUV. We had a girl headed home from work on her bike a couple weeks back that got off on her exit and was run off the road by a car. The news ran the story as if she was stunting with a group and got off at the exit then lost control. She was riding alone. They have yet to print a retraction or even tell the correct story. As for the people fodding the roads, nobody will admit to doing it and the cops don't investigate when it gets reported. | ||
| Stevenfrye |
There is a road here in California I've heard about called the snake. There is some camera crew out filming in this one turn wreck after wreck all in the same corner. You can find this on you tube, granted I'm pretty low on the totem pole for ride time but it seems to much to be that much rider error. Maybe one y'all check it out videos (Message edited by stevenfrye on July 08, 2013) | ||
| Reepicheep |
The media isn't the only problem. Stunters and street racers are creating the situation that an ignorant and uninformed media can pile onto. And that bleeds over into witness statements and police reports. | ||
| Wolfo68 |
Steven, are you talking about mulholland and the rnickymouse crew? and I completely agree reepi | ||
| Sir_wadsalot |
Yep, he's talking rnickeymouse....and yes, all those crashes are poor judgment, rider error, and just plain running out of talent. Wolfo, have you tried calling the TV station? | ||
| Reepicheep |
Something sounds odd with that. I can't imagine a fatality investigation where every witness isn't interviewed (regardless of who they were with). If I was John, I'd be calling the state patrol and ask to talk to a supervisor for an explanation of why he wasn't interviewed. Not being a jerk about it, just asking for an explanation. The police report will have a HUGE effect on everything else that follows (at least it did when I was hit by a failing to yield left turner). | ||
| Reepicheep |
Found a little more information.... http://www.omaha.com/article/20130703/NEWS/7070398 24/1707 A more complete quote from the witness. He also rides (though people that ride may be the LEAST qualified to judge safe entry speeds for a corner, particularly a cruiser rider judging sportbike riders, I don't know if that is the case here). Remember folks, how you behave is how people will see you. I don't know the facts here. But in general, going 5 or 10 MPH over the limit, but acting like a squid with the motor wound completely out, on a bike that "looks fast", is going to make people think you are going fast (fair or not). | ||
| Wolfo68 |
I've called them on past articles that were wrong, they just claim the information was from witnesses so it was not incorrect. The fact that the guy heard one motorcycle going fast and one crashed doesn't mean it was the same motorcycle. The reason I say within five is because there is a caution that says 5 less than the speed limit for the turn (does not actually change the speed limit). It just irritates me that they automatically assume the fast bike was the one that crashed. Without actually seeing it he can't be considered a witness about one bike amongst multiple. I'm not positive about the statements from the people that were taken to the hospital. I'm assuming they didn't get taken at the time because of that fact. | ||
| 1eyert |
Just my opinion but as I have been riding for over 37 years now and dropped/wrecked motorcycles along the way I may have some insight. Seems to me that he was going too fast for conditions, the corner coming up and passing someone also. When the car pulled out in front of him they may not have been able to see him well enough to judge his speed and/or location. Motorcycles are smaller and seem that way to cagers, they don't realize how fast or how close they are. I have dropped bikes at speeds of 45-55 max, and many times slower. All without significant injury. I'm wondering what he hit after being thrown to cause the injuries noted in posts above. A good traffic investigator should be able to figure his speed from the skid marks and other indicators at the scene. I find it hard to believe he was only going 5-10 MPH over the limit, I also don't believe he was doing anything near 100 MPH as the "witness" claims. As someone earlier posted with the bike wound up in a lower gear it would sound faster than actually going. It is a tragic accident for all involved. My prayers for the families involved. |
