| Author | Message | ||
     Snackbar64 |
With the great news that Erik Buell will be back mass producing bikes soon with a 20 million dollar shot in the arm a few questions come to mind. 1. Is there any way these new bikes at 20k just on a performance per dollar basis can be better than the 1125 models we already have? Even our rustic XB series bikes were ahead of their time in so many ways. The 1125R (unless being raced competitively) has more power than most people will ever need with those same XB handling dynamics. 2. Does the launch of the new bikes make our current bikes more or less valuable than they already are? 3. Lastly, at 20 grand who will be stepping up to buy one of these machines? My wife already said "Hell naw!" | ||
| Uh60crewdawg |
Theres a buyer for everything as far as price per dollar goes. Look at the Camaro/Mustang/Challenger. Mustang GT priced just short of 30k in a performance stand point destroys the Chalnger with its 50k+ price tag. But challengers are everywhere. People will buy because it looks so much more bad ass. I will be buying one of EBR's bike solely based on my pride in supporting the company and Erik. If it helps justify it, put it up performance per dollar vs the Ducatti. As far as value of our bikes i dont think much will change. Although right now 1125s sit for sale and sellers drop prices to move them. When EBR releases more bikes and gets more eyeballs interested our 1125s will be a much cheaper alternative for some. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Correct me if I am wrong, the Camaro and Challenger have independent rear suspensions. The Shelby Mustang GT500 is $54,000. The Challenger is based on the Chrysler 300 platform. The 300 platform has an all-wheel drive permutation. This makes me think that some day the Challenger could too! An AWD Challenger would be a game changer! | ||
| Redcrrider |
let's leave the 2013 shelby gt500 out of this for now, it's in it's own league. The 2013 mustang gt weights 3600 lbs or so and makes 415hp or is it 430 now? The Challneger weighs over 4,000lbs! As far as 1/4 mile drag strip, the mustang gt will crush even the srt8 chrysler 300, awd be damned. Nothing is going to change the fact that it's a ridiculously heavy car. Chrysler should have built it from the ground up, instead of building it on the all ready to heavy to be sporty chrysler 300. Add AWD and it's even heavier! AWD is great in the snow and accelerating out of corners, but its a power sucker and heavy. The challenger is nice looking, but not really fun to drive. With that said even the Mustang is to heavy to be really fun to drive, but it's better than the challenger. 2013 gt500 is a beast! With very little money in mods you could drive it to the drag strip and lay down a 9 second pass!!! All for $55k. I'd sell my soul for one. | ||
| Snackbar64 |
Hey guys as long as we're on the subject of muscle cars the Camaro ZL1 seems to be the most car for the money out of all of those especially if you are talking about going to the track. As far as the new Buell models go. If the 1190RS at 40k is a few steps behind the Panigale which sells for half the price, how big a drop off will the 20k 1190's be in comparison to the same bike? | ||
| Duphuckincati |
All I can say is I have a whole lot of fun with my $5300 CR, and my $3500 1997 Miata, and my $2000 V-Strom. (crashed bike purchase)And I gots money in 'da bank. | ||
| Uh60crewdawg |
Ooops look what i started lol agreed The shelby is a whole different world And the 2010+ Mustang GT's with their live rear end are plenty fun enough to drive. Itll shock you. Trust me i own a 2010. Ford was sneaky to win the drag battles. It makes less power than the camaro but being lighter and sneakily packing 373 gearing it crushes acceleration. Just like our bikes though the top end sucks. Speaking of our bikes. To get back on subject for snackbar I dont think the 20k version will loose to much. Most likely the suspension will take the biggest hit. Thats where the RS price tag goes up plus the limited production and risk factor envolved for Erik making them out of pocket. The 1190 engine doesnt cost much more to produce than our 1125 its essentially the same. | ||
| Iamarchangel |
you're talking about 4-wheel things, right? Expensive shopping carts. My hope with the revitalized EBR is that they will take over the parts support for the 1125s. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Uh60crewdawg ~ EBR buys new 1125s and remanufactures them to 1190 spec. This duplication of labor and parts is the uncompetitive part. If ROTAX would step up and build an 1190 the EBR prices would be lower. | ||
| Uh60crewdawg |
learn something everyday | ||
| Kenm123t |
EBR is doing more of the engine work in house now. Court Could you explain as much as you can. I know most of this was covered in another thread But i suspect things have changed as 2013 production aproaches | ||
| Mackja |
As I understand it, the engines come unassembled, EBR bores the cylinders and builds the engine with the upgraded performance parts | ||
| Court |
I would like to explain but will leave it to others. Suffice to say . . . most the "sumptions", the presumptions and assumptions, are inaccurate. I think many will be pleased. Years of experience, lessons learned and some very smart Elves . . . well . .that's a good thing. | ||
| Spike240sx |
I have actually put off my search for another Buell as of the release of the new info. My 1125R is just about paid off(bought before fire sale). I will now be waiting and stockpiling a lil fund for a new EBR. The wife and I are in agreement that I am allowed one bike payment at a time. So as long as they are in the $20 range, I will be picking one up. I'm really excited to see how much of the 1190 will trickle down into the street bikes. I'm also hopeful that we will have a sport/adventure tourer option too. I cant wait! I'm excited! | ||
| Ratbuell |
I have to agree with Court - there is a lot of good news in the pipeline, and some very smart Elves at the helm. I can't wait to see everyone in Jersey...the energy is going to be amazing! | ||
| Kenm123t |
LOL Thats not Court its an Elf! I can tell its not Court no typos! and its coherant He is still in the basement till the announcements are made official | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Proof. I am not one that enjoys endless fore play..... | ||
| Jdugger |
> I am not one that enjoys endless fore play.... Or foreplay at all! Get it hot and go! | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Pretty much Jim. | ||
| Kenm123t |
If Erik had the $ sooner it wouldnt have had that great of an effect on new bikes The Mc is the easy part getting it through the Gov red tape and all the regs is the issue. I would not be suprised to learn the gov paper work process started before the design was finished | ||
| 2734 |
"EBR buys new 1125s and remanufactures them to 1190 spec. This duplication of labor and parts is the uncompetitive part. If ROTAX would step up and build an 1190 the EBR prices would be lower." So why not offer the old motor with some simple upgrades(Stator,clutch piston,new/better exhaust and maybe a set of cams?) in a new bike as an alternative? I think that would bring the price down for a larger market section. I'd be up for that | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Ken that's not what i meant  Richard part of it's legal and part of it is practical | ||
| Ratbuell |
Be patient. You'll likely be surprised who's sourcing the engines. | ||
| Dannybuell |
S&S | ||
| Froggy |
Wrong  | ||
| Court |
Shhhhhhhhhh . . . . . | ||
| Ratbuell |
Oh don't worry Court...I'm taking a page from your book. Just dangling the carrot is all | ||
| Reepicheep |
Just tell me it isn't Harley... I'd be OK with Harley employees building it, just not Harley management "helping". | ||
| 2734 |
Interesting | ||
| Duggram |
Who cares? Do you think Erik will go with some cheesy outfit? You know whoever is doing the work they're going to have to meet a lot of QA measures. No cheap substitutes. No compromises. Keep the faith, it's going to be a first class bike. I'm much more interested in who is going to be the dealer I buy from. |
