| Author | Message | ||
     Sparky |
The question was raised over 2 years ago but didn't seem to raise any flags then. Apparently, I'm afraid things are different now. What are we going to do if we need an 1125 specific part and it only comes from Harley? Should we try to deal with the source supplier rather than depend on a seemingly lethargic H-D if the normal channels go nowhere? Is that possible? BTW, Skip Fordyce needs a 2009 1125R Instrument Cluster that is apparently still on backorder after two months. Is seems unreasonable to keep on waiting. Can anybody with dealer connections help? | ||
| Timebandit |
I mentioned this in the other thread -- I needed an IC replaced under warranty and it arrived within a week. | ||
| Tbowdre |
I need and instrument cluster as well. nothing critical but the edges are leaking black stuff into the LCD and now my tach reads about 3000rpm low. My Plan: american sport bike.... period | ||
| Buellrain |
www.twinmotorcycles.nl. | ||
| 1313 |
The Instrument Cluster should clear backorder 5/18/2012. Can you tell I'm waiting for one, too? 1313 | ||
| Syonyk |
Sell it? I've accepted that I've got another 5 years or so of time before parts for the 1125 get difficult to find, and if something major goes wrong, it gets parted out. It means that my goal is to put as many grin-inducing miles on it as I can before that happens.  Realistically, I actually don't think parts are going to be that bad for the following reasons: - Rotax is still making the engines, in a slightly different form. The 1190 motor is close enough to the 1125 motor that major things seem to still be available if needed. - The rest of the bike is pretty much bone stock Buell. Brake pads and rotors? A few manufacturers. General body parts? There are aftermarket vendors. Other stuff? Shared with other Buells. - EBR is doing their thing, and that thing seems to include at least some support for the old bikes in terms of "race parts." I'm not too worried about it yet. If it gets to be difficult, then I'll worry about it. Until then, I'm just riding them. The XBs should be even easier to keep running. They're a Sportster engine, as far as most of the core parts go, and there are only about a million aftermarket parts for those. Though I'm really not sure what I'd replace the garage full of Buells with... | ||
| Duphuckincati |
Buy a Speed Triple. The 1125 is a fantastic sporty street bike, a unique and great machine, I've been fortunate to have owned 70 other motorcycles over the years, enjoyed them all, but they are still just a machine. If any of us reach a literal breaking point with ours, it'll mean a parts supply for the others of us. Life WILL go on. And in my experience, the Speed Triple is much the same vibe as my CR. | ||
| Timebandit |
I've accepted that I've got another 5 years or so of time before parts for the 1125 get difficult to find, and if something major goes wrong, it gets parted out. It means that my goal is to put as many grin-inducing miles on it as I can before that happens. : ) I couldn't agree with you more. "- Rotax is still making the engines, in a slightly different form. The 1190 motor is close enough to the 1125 motor that major things seem to still be available if needed." Actually, Rotax is making the engines in to BMC's exact 2010 specification. It turns out that Rotax doesn't make an 1190 motor. Rotox only manufactures the 2010-spec 1125 motor that was designed by BMC. EBR buys brand-new 2010-spec 1125 motors from Rotax, and then rebuilds them in-house to convert them into 1190 motors. That's one reason that the 1190 is so expensive. What's good about that is that Rotax continues to make the exact drop-in replacement motor for our 1125 -- at least for now. That means that any 1125 engine parts are going to be available -- the only question is whether you'll have to buy a complete engine to get them, or whether someone will carry parts a la carte. | ||
| Sparky |
Timebandit, when did yours get replaced? I suspect the IC went unavailable and backordered on or before March of this year. 1313, that's what my dealer said too. Let's hope it happens, but the last two times I checked with them previously two weeks apart, they said it should clear backorder on the following Friday. Didn't happen then. | ||
| Timebandit |
My IC got replaced at the end of last year's riding season, in October/November 2011. I had the LFL/CEL problem in cold weather, and put-off having the IC replaced until it got cold enough that I was thinking about putting the bike up so I wouldn't lose many riding days. Total repair time for my bike was almost two weeks, but that includes having the bike sit in the shop over a weekend before and after having the work done. Total time to wait on delivery of the cluster from the time it was diagnosed/approved for warranty and the time I got the phone call to pick up the bike was only a week, maybe Monday to Friday or Monday to Monday. I'd have to look it up to be sure, but it wasn't long at all. Maybe they ran out of parts because everyone was scrambling to get warranty repairs done just before the warranties expired. Lots of warranties expired in October 2011. | ||
| Ratbuell |
Legally, I don't think suppliers CAN provide parts direct-to-consumer as long as they're under contract as a supplier. In other words, as long as Magnetti-Marelli is contracted through HD to provide instrument clusters...you and I can't just go out and buy one from them. The upside to that...contracts will expire. Eventually | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Yeah but will they have any more out be willing to make more by then? | ||
| Ratbuell |
Supply and demand... | ||
| Wbeamer20 |
I ordered an 09 IC not three weeks ago and got it within five days from my Jax, FL HD. | ||
| Sparky |
Fordyce, I'm sure, is on h-dnet.com. With that resource can they poll any other dealer who might have that part in their stock? Is that the only tool that dealers have that can be used to find parts (other than ebay)? That's begging the question: Can dealers go outside of h-dnet.com to get parts, say to EBR? | ||
| Timebandit |
Hearing that someone got an IC three weeks ago makes it sound like your supplier isn't trying very hard to get discounted parts for you. Maybe it's worth calling someone else. If you're willing to pay retail you might end up having the console in a few days. | ||
| Timebandit |
"Legally, I don't think suppliers CAN provide parts direct-to-consumer as long as they're under contract as a supplier." Legally -- that's very likely. It wouldn't surprise me if the mothership has a restrictive covenant in their supplier agreements to prevent the parts from being produced for sale in other channels. Illegally -- that's very likely too. It also wouldn't surprise me if the mothership leaned on their suppliers to prevent parts from being made just in time for their competitors. The Hanlons at Excelsior-Henderson claimed that H-D was pressuring their suppliers not to deliver parts that BIGX needed for just in time assembly of their bikes. That allegedly caused the company to fail to meet production deadlines, which caused them to fail to meet financial covenants with their lenders, which in turn shut off funding and forced the company into bankruptcy. H-D plays hard ball. | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
supply and demand indeed. what less than 10k of these beast actually made? figure maybe half that on the road right now. the other half on the track wrecked or in storage as a collectible? can't begin to imagine a supplier tooling up for maybe 5/yr tops nor would they make a 50pc run for a part that fits a bike that is no longer in production and has been out of production for 2.5yrs and counting. fact is the parts well is getting pretty dang dry now it will not get better with time. | ||
| Timebandit |
The good news is that parts like the IC are electronically driven, and that you can run the bike without them. Since these things are basically computers that just eavesdrop on the CAN bus and tell you what they've heard while eavesdropping, it should be simple enough for someone to market a generic programmable cluster that you could stick on any bike. Hmmm... that could be an interesting project.... | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
I can say this: the dash on the 1190 requires a seperate ecu to translate.... | ||
| Timebandit |
ECU/ECM or MCU? On this forum everyone seems to refer to the MCU that's in the left pod as an ECU (engine control unit) or an ECM. MCU is a more generic term for a compound/single chip microcontroller unit that contains a processor, RAM, ROM, clock and I/O control unit. Like this one: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=32777&post=2219849#POST2219849 The italian IC that sits on the 1125 contains an MCU inside of it (like the all do), which has to be programmed to decode the H-D signalling protocol on the CAN bus. These CAN sniffing clusters are basically all the same. If you knew the payload translation database and how the bike manufacturer scales the encoded voltages, then you could take any DDFI-3 instrument console and reprogram it to work with any other DDFI-3 bike. What this means is that even if the stock IC becomes extinct, it will still be possible to put other hardware on the bikes. The problem that's going to come along is knowing how to program some bit of hardware so that it recognizes the CAN payload and scales the display outputs accordingly. That involves some reverse engineering. Reprogramming an MCU for an IC is not any more complicated than what the tuning guys have been doing with the ECMs. The reason that you see people throwing wads of cash at the ECM reprogrammers is because they'll pay to play for performance. Reprogramming an IC isn't anywhere near as sexy, there's no demand, so nobody's bothering with it yet. If there's a market for it, it will happen. | ||
| Timebandit |
interview with Dan Hanlon of BigX: http://www.tcbmag.com/print.aspx?print_page=%2Fpeo plecompanies%2Fcompanies%2F130156printp1.aspx&stri ng_referer=/peoplecompanies/companies/130156p2.asp x | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
Well it's the same(on the outside) box as the ecu that lives in the left pod of the 1125 platform. | ||
| Sparky |
Dealer confirmed today that 5/18 is the release date for the IC to clear backorder. We'll see. | ||
| 1313 |
Dealer confirmed today that 5/18 is the release date for the IC to clear backorder. We'll see. When I called the dealer I'm dealing with on Friday (5/18) I was informed the new date for instrument clusters to clear backorder is June 1st. However I am still not worried, 1313 | ||
| Sprintst |
On this forum everyone seems to refer to the MCU that's in the left pod as an ECU (engine control unit) or an ECM. Well, when I go on the EBR site to buy one, they call it: 1125R PREPROGRAMMED ECM Engine Control Module for 1125R model motorcycles with race exhaust systems using premium pump gas}} | ||
| Mrrickbo |
As far as engine parts, I think Rotax would probably sell stuff once HD stops. However, only time will tell through... | ||
| Sparky |
Today the dealer confirmed that the IC, p/n Y0500.2AMA, will be on backorder until 6/15/12. But they said I could take the bike, use it and bring it back when the part comes in. I just may do that so I can get some EBR stuff put on and not impact the upcoming Laguna Seca fest. | ||
| Easyrider |
AS Twin Motorcycles i just want to add some info to the question off Sparky: I think we are 1 of the few company's in the world that has a daily focus on producing Maintenance parts first and then the show and shine parts. There are a lot off webshop's selling parts but none off them has a concering to develop maintenance parts. We have developed all headers and exhaust systems. We have developed all brake disc and brake pads We are developing all cables, throttle, speedo, clutch shoke We are developing much more. For example we have identified all screws and bolt's for all models and working hard to make the Buell specific Bolt's and Obsolete bolt's first We will do what ever we can to keep Buell riding and on the road. | ||
| Bob_thompson |
This is exactly what we need for our Buells Easyrider and thanks much to you and your company for stepping up. Well done mate. |
