| Author | Message | ||
     Hailwood |
Well my 09 1125r with 4500 miles (7700 kms) on it has sucked the big one with the stator crapping out....I have read as many threads as I can and think my options are these: 1/ Hope my dealer will fit an 08 stator and then disconnect the wiring harness upgrade? 2/Buy the EBR fix and install that and then disconnect the wiring harness? 3/ Get the dealer to install the 09 stator and then sell the damn thing? Is this right??? | ||
| Sparky |
There are more options, for instance: Get the stator replaced by the dealer AND replace the stock Vreg with a series regulator like the CE 605SB from Roadstercycle. Then you can disconnect the wire harness upgrade. Selling the bike just because it has an alternator issue is foolish, IMHO, if you otherwise like the bike. There are lots of other makes of popular bikes with similar issues but that doesn't make them less desirable if an easy fix is out there. | ||
| Azxb9r |
2/Buy the EBR fix This is the route that I think I will be going the next time my stator retires. | ||
| Samg |
Check your battery and the harness relay.. What are your symptoms ? Battery check.. Perform a load test..if passes perform a voltage test while no load on the battery..Disconnect battery from the bike. Trickle charge battery overnight..then let battery sit for 4 hours without charger or load hooked up to battery.. Check voltage.. Should be at least 12.8... Make sure ambient temperature is at least 65 degrees | ||
| Brumbear |
disconnect your harness and see if it then charges. http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/647864.html?1313549258 | ||
| Duphuckincati |
I did not do the harness and my stator went at @ 8000 miles, did the ebr kit and so far so good with about 1000 miles on it. | ||
| Hailwood |
New battery was fitted last week. The dealer checked the stator using some sort of meter..it was meant to be showing between 45-55 somethings at 3000rpm....35, 35 and 2 (sorry for lack of tech knowledge here). he said yes the stator has shat itself...is this right? | ||
| Timebandit |
It would help to know what the "somethings" are that he measured. If you really want someone to help you, then you have to give them facts to work with. Otherwise we're going to be guessing and shooting in the dark when it comes to trying to help you. Since free advice is worth every penny that you pay for it, here's what I think: 1. The dealer gave you the answer, but apparently you don't want to believe them, and you're here for a second opinion. 2. If you want a second opinion, you need to give us facts to work with. Like accurate measurements. 3. The diagnostic procedures and measurements are in the Electrical Systems diagnostics manual. Take a look at it, do the measurements yourself, and tell us the numbers. Then we can give you an accurate answer. 4. I'll take a shot in the dark and guess at the best answer: The factory test procedure is to check the internal resistance of the 3 coils and the voltage output of the 3 coils. The voltage output test is supposed to be in the range of 44-55 volts AC at 3000 RPM, so AC voltage might be the "something" that you were referring to. All 3 legs should produce the same voltage. If they don't, then you have a problem. The bottom line is that you haven't given us enough information to give you a conclusive answer, but from what I see you should be taking the dealer's word at face value. | ||
| Hailwood |
Sorry TimeBandit for my lack of knowledge...yes you are right the voltage output test was the one done with the readings of 35, 35 and 2 being the AC voltage readings..... I guess my reason for asking here was, given all the info I have read here, there seemed to be a lot more knowledge than perhaps my dealer has. They did not know about any stator issues in this country before I mentioned this forum for example. Unlike many people here I have absolutely no mechanical knowledge nor the diagnostic tools available to do any of these tests so was looking for some guidance from the collective wisdom and could only provide whatever info (albeit lacking) that I had. I did not want to simply replace one 09 stator with another given the likelihood of failure and was seeking some more guidance...but oh well...seems like all one gets here is abuse!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cheers for that and I wont bother you again | ||
| Kruizen |
Brett, this forum does get old with the "my sh1t doesn't stink attitudes". If you want to do the tests get your hands on a multimeter it is pretty simple and you really cant break anything when your doing the tests. If you want to do them PM me and I'll email you the electrical manual pages for the tests and some simple notes. I just went thru all of this myself. By the sounds of your output you have 4 choices. -1. EBR stator kit prob the best solution, 2 replace with another 09 stator-not the best, 3. Rewind our current stator with lower gauge wire-ok solution, find a used 08 stator/rotor-acceptable solution. HD won't sell you an 08 stator/rotor, but you can pay them to install any of the other parts, since you are mechanically challenged.} | ||
| Timebandit |
Hailwood, no need to apologize. It just helps if you can tell us what somebody was measuring when you tell us their numbers, that way we don't have to guess when trying to help you. Good, accurate numbers are needed to get good, accurate advice. The process of taking measurements is really simple -- so simple that it's not worth the time to take the measurements over again, as the dealer's measurements are undoubtedly right. The low voltage coming off of that one leg tells you that your stator is broken. You need to replace it. Even though your local dealer may not be aware of the stator problem, they don't need to be familiar with it to properly diagnose your bike. As long as they follow the diagnostic routines in the manual, any dealership should come up with the right answers -- and your dealer got the right answer even though they didn't know about the stator problem. I wouldn't bother repeating their effort unless you just want to spend time learning about your bike. Trust your dealer. They came up with the right answer. You need a stator. As far as parts go, don't believe the BS about not being able to buy 2008 parts from HD. According to US law HD is required to maintain parts availability for all Buell models for 7 years after HD discontinued the Buell brand. I have no problem ordering 2008 parts from my local dealer. You shouldn't have problems getting the parts either. I think some people may be confused about the fact that HD refused to supply 2008 parts for warranty repair on 2009 bikes; they insisted on only using 2009 parts. It seems that people have misinterpreted that policy to imply that HD won't sell 2008 parts, which is entirely incorrect. 2008 parts are readily available. They're just more expensive from HD than they are from EBR. There's lots of advice on this forum, some really good and some really bad. Be sure to take your advice from someone who knows what he's doing. Here's a helpful thread to put things in perspective: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/671315.html http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/670134.html | ||
| Hailwood |
Well the dealer has advised that HD are to replace the stator, voltage regulator and stator relay under warranty...I am going to save some dollars away and look at the EBR fix for later on when these parts crap out too...... | ||
| Black |
"They're just more expensive from HD than they are from EBR." Hmmmmm.....interesting....the only parts I've been able to buy from EBR are EBR parts. Do we have to go down this road again? | ||
| Dannybuell |
Timebandit go reread your first post and tell me you were NOT being an arrogant... Hailwood ~ My bike had the harness from day one. The original stator died at 2,200 miles, I have 16,000 miles on my warranty stator. The last 5,000? miles without the harness. It sounds like your dealer is on top of things. EBR has a new service, they drill an oil jet hole into your rotor. This sprays oil onto the stator to keep it cooler. I am saving for the day when the warranty rotor dies. EBR rotor mod, a compufire or cycle electric 3 phase/series regulator and whomever has proven to be the best rewinder at that time. | ||
| Timebandit |
"the only parts I've been able to buy from EBR are EBR parts. Do we have to go down this road again?" I don't know what "road" it is you're talking about, but the information that I posted is correct. The 2008 1125 charging system conversion kit that EBR is marketing is not made by EBR; those are ROTAX parts. Rotax OEM'd those parts for H-D/Buell Motor Company. Those 2008-spec parts are currently available from H-D or from EBR. EBR's price is cheaper. | ||
| Black |
Let me refresh your memory brother, We had a previous conversation that concerned folks whose statements implied that EBR was in competition with HD. I enjoy being able to buy race parts from EBR and don't want somebody messing it up for me by saying that one can get HD parts cheaper from EBR. I buy HD parts from HD and racing parts from EBR. Don't worry though, I'm only going to say something about it every time you do it. (Message edited by black on March 25, 2012) | ||
| Timebandit |
I'm still not quite sure what it is that you're referring to. Every time I do what? | ||
| Black |
When you say a lot, you have to remember a lot. "Oh what a tangled web....." | ||
| Timebandit |
whatever you're referring to wasn't worthy of a memory. Sorry. | ||
| Black |
Either that or insufficient ability to retain... | ||
| Timebandit |
Well, your motive is clear. You're trolling. Goodbye. | ||
| Black |
Cute.... from the ultimate troll. Our last conversation about you implying that EBR was competing with HD caused one of the moderators to weigh in to explain what I was saying to you then. Use that "search' function. Also, apologize to Hailwood while you're at it. There was zero reason to be rude to him. | ||
| Black |
"And when the other boys came out to play...Georgie Porgie ran away." | ||
| Timebandit |
Black, it's unfortunate for you that the facts don't support your allegations: "Our last conversation about you implying that EBR was competing with HD caused one of the moderators to weigh in to explain what I was saying to you then. Use that "search' function." OK, I've used that search function. Here is the thread you referenced: http://badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290431/ 665658.html Reading it shows that you don't have very good retention when it comes to remembering the complex web of disinformation that you have woven. You've got the facts wrong, which makes me wonder whether you've just got a bad memory or whether you're purposefully misrepresenting facts because you have an ulterior motive. Re-reading the thread, it's evident that your representation of what transpired is not accurate. To wit: 1. I never said that EBR was competing with H-D to fix HD's problems. In fact, I said exactly the opposite: that it was unfair to burden EBR with the expectation that they should fix BMC's legacy problems: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=290431&post=2169583#POST2169583 2. You created your own theory that EBR was in competition with HD to fix HD's warranty problems. You made up that idea all on your own: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=290431&post=2169608#POST2169608 3. I never said or implied that EBR was in competition with HD. I expressly denied that. In fact, I said exactly the opposite: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=290431&post=2169620#POST2169620 4. When I mentioned that I didn't understand what you were upset about, Froggy did try to explain what you were saying, but no moderator ever "weighed-in" or took sides in any discussion. To say that a moderator "weighed-in" is a purposeful misrepresentation on your part: http://www.badweatherbikers.com/cgibin/discus/show .cgi?tpc=290431&post=2169626#POST2169626 Then, as now, you're trying to put words into my mouth, and attempting to make it look as if I've said things I've never said. Then, as soon as you've done that, you follow by accusing me of saying the things that you have said. Anyone who bothers to re-read that thread and this one will see that your facts are just plain wrong. Do the world a favor and get your facts straight. | ||
| Black |
Well no brother,you just need to show me all the inside information that informs your position. EBR is selling HD equipment at a loss? Which board are you a member of? Help us out on the insider actions that you are obviously privy to.....If you're a board member, I'm obviously ill-informed. Which boards are you on? | ||
| Black |
LOL....I went back to the threads.....is disingenuous spelled 'Timebandit'? | ||
| Timebandit |
Well no brother,you just need to show me all the inside information that informs your position. EBR is selling HD equipment at a loss? Which board are you a member of? Help us out on the insider actions that you are obviously privy to.....If you're a board member, I'm obviously ill-informed. Which boards are you on? There you go again trying to put words into my mouth. I never said that EBR was selling HD equipment at a loss. You made that up. We seriously need to give this a rest. | ||
| Black |
Well brother....the truth will set you free. | ||
| Reepicheep |
Well, I'm a moderator, and I'll weigh in and agree with TimeBandit now... agreeing that the back and forth in this thread is getting tedious.  | ||
| Black |
No disagreement....read the threads...and ask Froggy. And if you think that EBR is undercutting HD and that's ok, I'm on the the wrong forum. I would be proud to be the only Erik Buell fan on this forum. Hey, I'm a bad guy! The issue is that someone is advocating that you an get Buell parts cheaper on EBR than HD. If you can't see the problem here, you don't need to be a moderator. Sorry, but that's the way it is Sorry for the corrections, but I'm pretty damn'ed mad. (Message edited by black on March 25, 2012) (Message edited by black on March 25, 2012) (Message edited by black on March 25, 2012) (Message edited by black on March 25, 2012) |
