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Ridenusa4l
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 02:15 pm: | 
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bandit- im just going off of personal experience and something i read when they were first introduced, i heard they joined up with dairy land insurance. also if ya kinda think about it it really is made to be cheap to fix, considering that all the body work is molded plastic with no paint....you can replace all the body work on the 1125 for less than one ducati 1198 side fairing in general lol
Jake |
Timebandit
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 02:34 pm: |
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My understanding is that they (parent company) made the "no full fairing" decision because they refused to engage in direct competition with the jap sportbike makers. I guess that might have had a secondary effect on insurance premiums. I still think that the parent company was more interested in avoiding direct competition with water-cooled, full-fairing sportbikes than in lowering insurance premiums. The parent has always been afraid to directly engage the big boys in performance contests. EBR doesn't have those fears. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 02:54 pm: |
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Timebandit, I'll have to dig up the old info, but Ridenusa4l is correct. The bike was engineered to take a minimal amount of damage in tipovers, and many bits like footpegs and fairing stays are designed to break away preventing more serious damage like frame twisting.
As for the whole paying in cash thing, its overrated. I pay $600 a month towards multiple Buells, and they will all be paid off this summer, and I'll start it all over again with some more new bikes. If I waited till I had it saved up, I would still be riding my Yamaha 80cc dirtbike. Yep it will cost me a few dollars more in the long run, but I have my bikes now, not waiting 6 years into the future to get them. |
Timebandit
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 03:01 pm: |
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you mean dig up the old propaganda, don't you?
you can believe the spin doctors if you want to, but the facts are that the parent company hamstrung Buell and didn't let them do what they really wanted to do. it's a fact that the pods came along as a direct result of the no-full-fairing / no-compete with the japs decision. spinning the pods as crash protection amounted to making lemonade out of lemons. nothing more.
you're drinking the H-D Kool-Aid. |
Ridenusa4l
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 03:24 pm: |
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not really bandit, i mean seriously we ALL know what Erik wanted to do since he is doing it now, and i believe since he knew HD wouldnt allow him to do it -yes HD was scared of competition and did not want to be affliated with the main stream, this has been covered- so Erik made the best he could out of the sitaution and i believe the crash aspect and all in all he did a pretty bang up job and apparently you and everyone else here thought enough so to buy one.
Jake |
Blake
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 04:07 pm: |
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Frank,
I've been on both sides of the loan-for-stuff scenario and can't disagree with you more strongly. Keep your bikes, maybe sell a couple, then pay off your loans and start saving that $600/mo for a new bike. In two years, you'll be ready to go shopping and will enjoy the satisfaction of just writing a check instead of having to do the financing dance followed by years of monthly bills. Imagine having that $600/mo disposable income to do with as you like instead of sending it to the bank.
In the long run if you keep each new bike at least a couple years, then what you are talking about is just delaying a single new purchase by a few years. Then you are debt free from then on out! |
Froggy
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 04:20 pm: |
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Timebandit, call it whatever you want. Regardless of having pods or full fairings, the fact doesn't change that the bike was designed to minimize the cost to repair in your typical mishap.
Blake, if I had another $600 a month, I would just buy another motorcycle! I don't sell my bikes, it just isn't worth the time or the few dollars I would get out of it. I'm a hoarder. |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 04:24 pm: |
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Blake's advice is your best bet. |
Timebandit
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 04:25 pm: |
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Blake's advice is your best bet.
Unless you die owing the bank for your toys.
If you die owing the bank for your toys, you win! |
Timebandit
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 05:04 pm: |
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not really bandit, i mean seriously we ALL know what Erik wanted to do since he is doing it now, and i believe since he knew HD wouldnt allow him to do it -yes HD was scared of competition and did not want to be affliated with the main stream, this has been covered- so Erik made the best he could out of the sitaution and i believe the crash aspect and all in all he did a pretty bang up job and apparently you and everyone else here thought enough so to buy one.
interesting that you disagree, but then you reiterated every single point that i made. so i guess we're not disagreeing much, if at all.
i'm going to stick my neck out and say that the pods weren't any great technological advance. they were a kludge. if they were so great, everyone would be licensing the technology. what's the fate of the pods now? NOBODY is using them. not the designer on the patent, not the owner of the patent, not a single licensee, NOBODY wants the pods.
the pods are a kludge that sucks. to prove how un-loved the pods are: everyone who, if given the choice, would prefer having the pods over a full fairing, speak up now.
<crickets_chirping> |
Froggy
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 05:45 pm: |
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quote:what's the fate of the pods now? NOBODY is using them.
Do you mean side mounted radiators?
Or do you mean the look of the pods?
quote: NOBODY is using them. not the designer on the patent, not the owner of the patent, not a single licensee, NOBODY wants the pods.
Could be the fact that they are patented? you start entering murky waters trying to engineer around patents, or paying to license them. Pods aren't the only way to mount the radiator.
quote:to prove how un-loved the pods are: everyone who, if given the choice, would prefer having the pods over a full fairing, speak up now.
If I told you I would have the pods instead of full fairings, you would call me a fanboy koolaid drinker. If I told you I want the full fairing, you would just laugh and gloat how you are right. Being a lose-lose situation, I won't answer it, but I will say It is nice not having to take off the bodywork to change the oil. |
Timebandit
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 08:13 pm: |
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Do you mean side mounted radiators?
Or do you mean the look of the pods?
No, I mean what I said: Pods. Nothing else. Please don't go making extrapolations that go beyond what I actually said.
If I told you I would have the pods instead of full fairings, you would call me a fanboy koolaid drinker. If I told you I want the full fairing, you would just laugh and gloat how you are right.
Not really. Fairings only matter to people who go fast. |
Froggy
| | Posted on Friday, January 27, 2012 - 08:24 pm: |
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quote:I mean what I said: Pods. Nothing else. Please don't go making extrapolations that go beyond what I actually said.
Define "pod" then. To the best of my knowledge, they are just side mounted radiators, not that unlike the Honda and Yamaha I pictured above.
quote:Not really. Fairings only matter to people who go fast.
You are mistaken. Fairings matter in a lot of situations, as they can increase rider comfort in foul weather, and improve aerodynamics resulting in higher top speed and fuel economy. |
Guambra2001
| | Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2012 - 10:16 pm: |
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Well, I decided to stick with Bertha!
After thinking it over, I can't find another bike that is less than 6k that produces 125HP to the wheel, that has a V-twin and a maintenance free belt drive, with confortable ergos and kind of an exclusive factor. And now that I bought the track seat from AL it is even more confortable.
I still want a Ducati some day but for now it's just not worth it. And by the way my insurance is cheap on Bertha. |
Thefleshrocket
| | Posted on Monday, January 30, 2012 - 10:55 pm: |
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Ooh, so riding a Duc to MotoGP will get me into the all of the swanky Duc spots? All the more excuse I need to buy a Diavel! LOL |
Mls1
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 01:06 am: |
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Easy answer own both! I have owned 4 Buells and have wanted a Duc for years after my first ride on a 900 Monster. in fact the reason I bought a Buell was because of the ride on a Monster but wanted an American bike. I still have my 96 S1 and have owned two XB's and an 1125. Each morning when I head out it's a coin toss to decide which one to ride. They are both amazing bikes with their own endearing funky quirks. Follow the previous advice and find a cheap used Monster to go with your Buell... |
Duphuckincati
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 11:35 am: |
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Some years ago I was out on a group ride and there was a Sportser engined Buell along with a 900 Monster in the group. I got a ride on the Buell because I had been curious about them. Thought afterwards that it was interesting and not too bad. I went from that directly to trying the Monster and by halfway through third gear I thought "oh THIS is what they (Buell) were trying to do!"
That being said I LOVE my CR. |
Rogue_biker
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 11:42 am: |
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Forget about the pods for a minute. The 1125R has a great fairing that does an incredible job of wind and weather protection. The pods ADD to that protection.
So, not sure why people are upset it doesn't have a lower fairing. Most sportbikes have a lower fairing but none of them perform any wind protection functions.
In any case, Buell offered a lower fairing for the 1125R and hardly anyone bought it! |
Ridenusa4l
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 11:51 am: |
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i would've if they had it in white....AND they had a belly pan for it!, thats what killed it for me was the no belly pan..
FWIW
Jake
however i will admit that i LOVE my bike...but would've loved the B2 even more, that being said I love the fact it looks so different and draws so much attention and questions!
ive takin the thunder out of 6 BRAND NEW 1198S's in bright red by parking next to them there were about 10 people around my bike and 2 around the ducati's -if that- LOL |
Rogue_biker
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 12:00 pm: |
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You don't need the bellypan when you have that muffler down there. Unless of course you have to race.
Seriously, look down on many modern sportbikes. The lower fairing are just styling exercises for the most part. Underneath the lower fairing is open (no pan underneath).
Now look at the 1125R front end. See how the pods actually nearly cover your legs when you have them tucked against the frame? Ride the 1125R in the rain someday and you will see how well it protects! Even the engine side cases block wind and debris from your shins and feet. |
Ridenusa4l
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 12:16 pm: |
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i agree with the protection from the elements, works AWESOME!!! especially in the cold also! and yes the belly pan is mostly cosmetic, but as we have pointed out a full fairing is just about the same unless you are going mach speed, at least in the 1125. -im sure someone with interject with this point-
just personal preference id like to have a belly pan if im having a full fairing or else it just looks uncomplete
Jake |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 02:28 pm: |
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1125's in the rain are remarkable, your legs are fairly well protected. |
Rogue_biker
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 02:41 pm: |
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I do agree that half a fairing looks incomplete unless it's done right. To me, what's missing on the 1125R is the cosmetic shape of the muffler and maybe a small chin fairing like that on the Firebolt. They could have done a better job of integrating the lines of the pods. But that's what happens when you have a limited budget and fighting for every inch of freedom, as Erik's team had to do.
Having said that, there are a lot of great motorcycles with only half a fairing because realistically, that's all you need. The original Cafe Racers only had the bullet fairings. BMW's R1100S/1200S had half a fairing. Ducati's 900SS had half. Suzuki's TL's, SVS', Bandits, had half.
I recently did a ride on my 1125R and got caught in really crap, winter weather. Vehicles around me were spraying road grime all over and around me. I swore I would be covered in this crap. When I got home I was surprised to see that only the top of my helmet had the road grime on! Unbelievable! |
Timebandit
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 03:22 pm: |
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> BMW's R1100S/1200S had half a fairing
the BMW R11 series all ended up having half-fairings because the full-fairing version of the RSL had a nasty habit of catching fire.
I own two of the R1100RSL that have the burning problem. BMW issued a recall on the bikes a few years after their introduction because the full-fairing RSL design was prone to setting the lower fairing on fire. I had paint bubble on my "connection piece" one one of my bikes, and my best friend was the guy whose bike caught fire and burned down the attached garage on his million dollar house. I think that the reason that BMW abandoned the RSL full-fairing design and went to the half-fairings on the R11 bikes was a direct result of my friend's insurance company's decision to sue BMW to recover their payout for the house fire. |
Sprintst
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 03:44 pm: |
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I prefer the look of full fairings
So, 1st purchase was the optional fairings
Might be nice if they had a belly pan effect, but I think they look pretty darned good, and add some nice protection |
Rogue_biker
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 03:49 pm: |
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I too thought about buying the full fairing. But after a while the look of the Pods grew on me and started to like it. Plus, they are $65 each! That's cheap if you happen to just drop your bike.
In addition to that, it's so much simpler to do oil changes without having to remove/replace a fairing side. |
Guambra2001
| | Posted on Tuesday, January 31, 2012 - 11:54 pm: |
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I like the pods really easy to replace if needed. And it looks great on the CR. |
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