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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 11:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was just reading the spec sheet on the new Tiger- 950 watts (!!!) output. Here's what the brochure says about it:


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ELECTRICAL ACCESSORIES CAPABILITY

Tiger Explorer’s best-in-class 950w generator facilitates simultaneous
operation of multiple electrical accessories. The generator works by using
fixed coils charged by six rotating powered coils (not magnets as is usual
on motorcycles) which are geared off the clutch. This allows more power
to be produced at lower revs and to suit the consumption of the Tiger
Explorer and its accessories. It also avoids the need to overproduce power
and to dissipate excess heat. The result is less energy wastage, better
economy and less ‘performance drag’ on the engine.



It sure sounds like they've been keeping an eye on electrical issues with other motorcycle brands and making damn sure they avoid them.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Or looking at any car made since about 1960. ; )
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 12:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep, this is nothing new. I know Gold Wings and at least some BMW boxers use completely external, belt-driven alternators (as does the new Motus). Are permanent magnet, enclosed alternators otherwise universal on motorcycles?

I'll be interested to see the physical arrangement of the Triumph alternator.
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Reepicheep
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 02:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nope, I think the late 80's yamaha radians used true alternators. The only reason for permanent magnet systems is that there are no brushes to wear out, and fewer coils. So it's probably a case where if you can live with limited power output (like a motorcycle), they are a little more simple and a little more durable.
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Hughlysses
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 02:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The only reason for permanent magnet systems is that there are no brushes to wear out

Even if you didn't care about the wear, I'd think you couldn't run brushes in an oil bath either, which would preclude mounting inside the engine or primary.
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Blk09r
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 02:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My 79 Honda CBX used an external alternator mounted behind the cylinders. Brushes lasted around 40000 miles and were easy to replace. The only issue these had was with the clutch that was between the engine and the alternator. It could get a little noisy.
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Pragmatic
Posted on Thursday, November 10, 2011 - 06:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Even if you didn't care about the wear, I'd think you couldn't run brushes in an oil bath either, which would preclude mounting inside the engine or primary.

Transit buses all over the US use oil bath alternators with brushes
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Dannybuell
Posted on Saturday, November 12, 2011 - 06:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

honda st1100 and 1300s use external alternators too.
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Benzo_mike
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 08:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

All air/oil gixxers, Bandits, GSX1100G,...

Little automotive Nippondenso alternator behind the block.
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Timebandit
Posted on Sunday, November 13, 2011 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

BMW boxers have been using external alternators for ages. They're mounted on the front of the engine (right behind the engine cover) and are driven by the crankshaft.

They are the same Bosch units that are used on some VW cars. My 94 oilhead (still have it 17 years later!) has a 750W alternator. I've never had a problem with it.

Just for reference 746W = 1 hp.
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