| Author | Message | ||
     Lonz |
Blake, Is that directed at me for asking a question? The rule does not say msrp, it says retail. In my mind, a sale to a dealer is wholesale, a sale to a consumer is retail. | ||
| Davegess |
msrp is retail. What the dealer charges is irrelevant. MSRP is what counts. The Homologated bike is the non carbon bike so it 40,000, the extra money is mostly in the carbon kit. | ||
| Lonz |
If Suggested Retail Price is what counts and not the actual price, that is a poorly worded rule. | ||
| Boltrider |
A few drunk Chrysler workers could build that thing for $100K no problem. | ||
| Fio835 |
Well said Bolt | ||
| Brumbear |
Who cares if I had the money I'd buy one and If NJ wasn't so damn expensive I would really try to get a dealership carrying the Buell Line and watercraft and scooters. | ||
| Court |
>>>How does a price of 47,995.00 retail work under this rule? The same way the Mazda Miata sold for $10,000 over MSRP. Pay keen attention to the word "SUGGESTED". Remember the Mazda Miata . .new Beetle . . Honda Pilot. . . Camaro . . you get the idea. There were a lot of cars that sold well over MSRP. I ordered a new car for my wife that was just announced to the public yesterday. The salesman last week told me they'd be selling for $5,000 over the prices on the manufacturers website. I think we are working through that but it's a simple fact of supply and demand. EDIT: You may enjoy this article. http://www.aterwynne.com/files/Dr%20%20Miles%20Resale%20Price%20-%20Bauman%20PBJ%209-07.pdf (Message edited by court on July 19, 2011) | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
court - great point. I actually just made the post on another thread because someone was complaining that the bike for sale is more than the MSRP. It happens with new, rare (especially) stuff. I told it there - there were 1125Rs for sale in early 2008 for 2,500 bucks over MSRP, so about a sixth of msrp. So when a place like Whites (is that who has the Carbon edition for sale now?) is selling a 44k bike for 48k, its not really that bad. Arent there only going to be TEN of the CF editions? Its not that high of a markup really. curious - what car was announced yesterday? | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
court whyd you delete post? | ||
| Court |
It added nothing to this silliness.. | ||
| Notpurples2 |
Remember when the PT Cruiser first came out? I remember hearing of people paying 5 figures over MSRP for those things. | ||
| Peyote |
Motorhead102482, I'll definitely give you a buzz, whenever I get it, so we can go for a ride (didn't think there other bwb'ers here). Dependent on the vin#, it might be as late as December. | ||
| Peyote |
Court, I read your article on new MSRP ruling. When has any HD dealership been so competitive that they sell below MSRP? The only time I am aware locally was when HD World in OKC's mandatory Buell contract expired. They couldn't wait to be done with Buell. As far as the article, it appears there has to be enough distributors to compete with each other before there's any risk of price cutting MSRP. I'm not a fan of any pricing over MSRP. If HD dealers think they're doing Erik Buell Racing a favor as a distributor & justify it by padding, then they are sadly mistaken. I disdain HD network for how Buell was treated (hd corp equally @ fault) & tried to request a non HD dealer to no avail. There are good ones out there as some are on here, but the past HD reflecting pool is what's seen from my perspective. I'd like to see @ least a quarter of the network to be non-HD by next yr just to assure a consumer healthy network with options & no price hiking which HD network is known for. I'm very excited about Erik Buell Racing's future now that they have the option to sell where they're wanted. | ||
| Froggy |
One of my local dealers usually has sales going on like x% off MSRP. Right now they are offering up to $2k in gift cards if you buy a new 2011. Even when they aren't having sales they will still easily budge on the price. I went to buy my 1125CR and they offered me 10% off MSRP, no freight or prep, yet I wasn't even a regular customer nor have bought a bike there before. Shop around, you will see there are deals to be had. I did get a good laugh at your other paragraph though  | ||
| Peyote |
That's pretty cool froggy. Hybridmomentspass, I was told early July from a call from Erik Buell Racing that the 1190rs's will all be carbon now. If this is so, the justification of marking up a carbon version based on only 10 made is wrong. Anyway, didn't want to sound harsh, but the relationship between H-D/E-B-R dealers & Erik Buell Racing should be treated like a first date & likewise be cultivated in this new relationship for the long term rather than trying to get what they can now. Someone buying a bike as an Erik Buell Racing first time buyer will easily go elsewhere for parts & maintenance if they find out later that other dealers didn't mark above MSRP. Just my POV from a consumer that's ill-equipped to understand the necessity to survive by marking up a "new" company's signature product. Erik Buell Racing deserves the best dealer network possible & I'm guessing the dealers will be rewarded by having the most loyal customers... (Message edited by Peyote on July 21, 2011) | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
If that were true then why would they still list it on their site? CF Bodywork is not legal for AMA American Sport Bike either. AND....its still not a lot of markup on a rare bike since only one hundred are being made. If you truly think that non-HD ExBxR dealers will stick strictly to the MSRP then that post is just as funny as the one you made before it. | ||
| Court |
Brilliance incarnate | ||
| Sprintst |
That's one alternative to educating people Doesn't win a debate, but it does force it to go elsewhere Could it be banning season again?} | ||
| Peyote |
Hybrid, I just got confirmation on mine from HD/Buell dealer with MSRP, but it's not one that he has @ shop. Maybe there's something with having one at their shops that make them a little more valuable. BTW, I'm not strictly opposed to markups, just that people should know that they're not all doing it. I'm hoping to pick up @ the factory with a tour. AFA all models carbon, I'm just repeating what was told to me over the phone by an E-B-R rep (wasn't Kim or Tony). Honestly, it could be the simple fact that most inquiries were on the carbon ver & they might fill all if first 100 bikes requested are wanting carbon. I can't imagine they'd turn someone down on carbon, but they might make one without if they got the call for one. Who knows. @SprintST: god, I hope I don't get banned for talking MSRP talk. I thought the subject could use a counter & meant no disrespect. I love Erik Buell Racing & will try to use more discretion on the subject Did I mention how much I love u guys? Big weekend @ Laguna Seca. Pumped up!!! (Message edited by peyote on July 21, 2011) | ||
| Sprintst |
I don't see why thoughtful discussion should be verboten doe eyed fan-boys don't improve the business any As BMC owners and enthusiasts, we are a natural market for Erik Buell Racing | ||
| Peyote |
Hybrid, my original non-HD request had nothing to do with thinking anyone else would be any different price wise. I would've gladly paid over just to support outside H-D. I'm a bit jaded as many Buell fans are with H-D's handling & tight grip on Buell, but my calmer side prevailed & I was talked down from my ledge & realized how important it is now for E-B-R to make sure they strengthen the H-D/Buell dealers that have always supported them before anyone else is added. They still have one major thing in common: American made. | ||
| Blake |
Paul (SprintST), >>> I don't see why thoughtful discussion should be verboten Thoughtful discussion is welcomed here, always has been, always will be. The sticking point is that I and the other custodians decide what constitutes "thoughtful." As with any such determination, some may disagree. We get it from both sides, some wanting more aggressive management of the forum, some wanting it more lenient. That balance tells me we are probably doing a decent job. I get more emails thanking our custodial staff for the work we do in maintaining the forum than complaining about it. That sure is a nice thing. It is interesting to note that most of the complainers like to grandstand publicly off topic in a discussion thread rather than actually suggest anything thoughtful to improve the place. That in itself says much. Start a new topic for forum management if that is what you wish to discuss. But let's please avoid polluting any more thread with this endless off-topic debate concerning how the place is run. >>> doe eyed fan-boys don't improve the business any First, we aren't here looking to improve the business. We'll leave that to the folks at Erik Buell Racing. We're here as a community of enthusiasts of the bikes and the brand(s) and yes the man and his associates who get it all done. One who doesn't fit in with that community simply doesn't belong here. Second, who would these "doe-eyed fan-boys" be in your view? Are you contending that it is "doe-eyed" fan-boyism to reject the contention that "...for $40K you get a $20K motorcycle" in speaking of the 1190RS? If we see what appears to be a pattern of highly biased negative commentary, trolling, or just rude, mean-spirited behavior, we step in and give a warning or just show the offender(s) the door so to speak. That's all. | ||
| Blake |
Speaking to your education comment, in my experience there is no educating the likes of one who would contend something like "...for $40K you get a $20K motorcycle." That kind of glaring falsehood really requires a willful ignorance in my view. I could be wrong, and hope I am. We'll see; maybe the author of that comment will tell us if he's reconsidered or rejects the various information provided that shows the error in his thinking. | ||
| Blake |
Jeffrey (Peyote), I just checked. There are 23 registered BadWeBrs showing that they live in OKC. You could probably charge admission.  (Message edited by blake on July 21, 2011) | ||
| Blake |
Lonz, >>> If Suggested Retail Price is what counts and not the actual price, that is a poorly worded rule. Not so much. The price that AMA Pro Racing uses is the MSRP. Period. What else would they use? Do you expect them to verify the actual selling price charged by each dealership for the sale of each motorcycle? Kinda silly, huh.  | ||
| Blake |
>>> Is that directed at me for asking a question? No, not for asking a question. Asking questions in and of itself is not problematic. Trying to assert that the 1190RS doesn't meet homologation rules would be a problem here. But you've been educated on that so it's all good. | ||
| Dannybuell |
The $20K - $40K perception? Perhaps the author was thinking about the economies of scale and price had HD not pulled the rug out from under Buell? The Aprilia RSV4 Factory 180hp ohlins front and back. http://www.apriliausa.com/en-US/Model/20388/RSV4+F actory/Overview.aspx | ||
| Lonz |
>>> But you've been educated on that so it's all good. -Not so much. If the ruler makers meant SUGGESTED retail price should be less than 40,000, as opposed to the actual retail price paid, they should have written as much. Period. Unless the rule is just a suggestion? By the way, no, I do not expect them to verify prices. I would expect dealers to honor the intent though. Just my 2 cents. | ||
| Kenm123t |
Federal Trade Commission prevents price fixing by Erik Buell Racing. Thats why its called Msrp Suggested retail price. Dealers set prices based on their Costs area and demand. | ||
| Lonz |
I realize that. My point was the rule should reflect that. Guess I didn't make my point clearly. |
