| Author | Message | ||
     Hybridmomentspass |
o1xj - by no means am I saying anyone that does that is wrong or anything, Im just using that as an example of how people would assume the two are related and could be confused. Blake is quick to call names, and try to degrade someone for not knowing every little bit of knowledge about Buell/Erik Buell Racing, seeing no reason anyone would ever get the two confused or related. I was just trying to give examples how/when people may be confused. | ||
| Court |
One interesting tidbit ..... Then I'll let y'all continue your squabble. ...... Most ( over 50%) of Buells sold were overseas. The folks overseas .... Of course.... Never got BRAG.... FUELL or anything. And frankly ..... Aren't nearly as sunup about all this as the folks in the USA .... They are just waiting for their next bikes. | ||
| Hughlysses |
That statement is based on a false assumption, at least I hope it is. I sure hope that even the mass production 1190 models by definition include new advanced quality parts and higher quality parts than the 1125. Not knocking the 1125, but I hope Erik Buell Racing targets the next notch up in the market, not the $12K superbike segment. I hope it sells for at least $16K. Blake- I'm not saying that's how a production 1190 engine will or should be built, just that it could be built for the virtually the same cost. Slightly bigger pistons and cylinder bores needn't cost anything. I agree with what you say, even a production 1190 needs to step up the quality of parts from what the 1125's had. | ||
| Kinder |
I think value will depend on what parts become available. The 1190 is not 'all new.' It shares many parts with its predecessor the 1125. The engine is a Rotax 1125 that has be modded with new parts to become an 1190. They don't come from factory that way. So if it does well and they offer engine kits people may want to find used 1125s that they can modify into a 1190esq bike. It could happen. I doubt it but stranger things have. Not higher but maybe a bump up? (Message edited by kinder on July 08, 2011) | ||
| Blake |
Owens, >>> no need to call them morons for not knowing You no read good. Those would be the ignorant folks. The morons are the ones who know the scoop but still for some reason imagine that Erik Buell Racing and BMC are the same company. I don't know any of those.  | ||
| Blake |
>>> So if it does well and they offer engine kits people may want to find used 1125s that they can modify into a 1190esq bike. That would be a lot more difficult that putting an S&S big bore stroker engine into a Harley. You don't see folks confusing S&S with H-D. | ||
| Blake |
>>> The 1190 is not 'all new.' It shares many parts with its predecessor the 1125. "Many parts"? Name ten.  | ||
| Blake |
>>> Consideration for others has been lost and has diminished us all. Even little things like holding doors open and saying please and thank you are steps to a better world. Come to East Texas and be amazed. | ||
| Jdugger |
> Name ten. The mirrors look to be the same If you want to get picky, I think the bottom end of the motor is actually the same. There'd be a couple dozen parts in there... | ||
| Blake |
Bottom end of the motor is not the same. Different rods, different crank. | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
they use the same size torx screws as the 1125's...if you counted them up...well...  hahahaha oh why must everyone always play the one up game when there is barley enough information about the bike in the mainstream to decipher the differences between the 1190 and the price of a chickens foot in canada...tisk tisk let the bickering continue! lol Jake | ||
| Blake |
We actually have comprehensive information concerning the differences. I think the heal-guards may be the same. So we have maybe the mirrors, heal-guards, and fasteners. Swingarm different. Engine different. Pistons different. Valves different. Cams different. Con rods different. Crankshaft different. Cylinders different. Cylinder heads different. Headers different. Muffler(s) different. Radiator different. Forks different. Axles different. Shock different. Battery different. Frame different. Wheels different. Brakes different. Clutch different. Final drive different. Bodywork and fairing different. Instrumentation different. Controls different. Chassis geometry different. Seat different. Windshield different. Subframe different. Handlebars different. Fueling system different. Ergonomics different. Lights different. Maybe the dipstick is the same. "The 1190 is Fixed it. (Message edited by blake on July 09, 2011) | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
i was waiting blake, and thank you. i think its funny how people think an 1125 and an 1190 are the same...however most of them probably believe to themselves that a gixxer 600 and a 750 are different bikes, when the only thing they have different is displacement and power, and maybe a pound or 2 difference in weight. the differences in the 1125 and 1190 are so vast that the 1125 is to the XB as the 1190 is to the 1125. they are the same in spirit but vastly different everywhere else. I guess you could call it an evolution of concept. Jake | ||
| Hybridmomentspass |
"the differences in the 1125 and 1190 are so vast that the 1125 is to the XB as the 1190 is to the 1125. they are the same in spirit but vastly different everywhere else. I guess you could call it an evolution of concept" Great way of putting it Riden | ||
| Kinder |
I thought the engine was the same 1125 helicon plant we have just punched out with some new bits like crank, pistons, cams, valves and some porting. I mean Rotax isn't building 1190 twins are they? | ||
| Hughlysses |
I mean Rotax isn't building 1190 twins are they? Not yet (as far as we know) but I'll bet they soon will be. | ||
| Court |
Not yet is accurate ..... And the current ones are built in Austria. | ||
| Bueller4ever |
same mirrors clutch cover stator cover same stator, lol! front caliper rear brake lever oil filter/cover rear hugger probably a lot of little bits are the same. The frame looks very similar to me. | ||
| Xtreme6669 |
Grips and bar ends look the same too... | ||
| Kenm123t |
Hmm they both have two tires one at each end | ||
| Blake |
>>> same stator, lol! Not so sure. Which one? >>> front caliper Nope. Not sure about the covers you mention either, but it's cool you've failed to name a single major component. (Message edited by Blake on July 09, 2011) | ||
| Ratbuell |
The stator is not the same. As *either* 1125 stator. | ||
| Buellitup |
Well, you can't have a poll without results, so I tallied up the numbers. I may have missed 1 or 2, but I'm pretty close. People "voting" more than once was allowed, but no one did (that I noticed). Yes: 1 (9%) No: 7 (64%) No opinion: 3 (27%) So, 9% say yes, 64% say no, and 27% didn't have an opinion but stayed on topic. A curious note was that 78% (39 to date) of all responses were off topic. The off topic comments broke down as follows: Blake: 21% Court: 10% Froggy: 8% Hughlysses: 8% Rat Buell: 5% All Others: 13% | ||
| Blake |
No. | ||
| Blake |
Owens, >>> they (1125R and 1190RS) are the same in spirit Not so much. Harley hogtied Erik mandating that the 1125R be a "gentelman's bike" and not compete for the repli-racer market. The spirit of the 1190 exactly opposite of that. Kevin (Buellitup), Interesting stats, probably about par for the course here or for most any discussion forum. Keep in mind that discussing/rebutting opinions relating to the topic is not off-topic. What I think you mean is that 78% of are not providing a direct answer your question. It would be a pretty boring forum if that's all that developed here. At least in this web forum custodian's opinion. The more important observation to consider concerning the value of a discussion thread might be "did I learn anything new"? : | ||
| Guard_rail |
If my father has a baby with another woman, that baby is my family. I even consider the HD V-rod a buell. I know, I know I'm speaking blasphemy. And if it (1190)does well then it's only natural for people to say "hey what's that and where can I get one???" answer "oh! I need an 1125r to get started?? Ok! Where can I get one." Maybe just the engine well go up in value?!?!?! | ||
| Blake |
>>> I know I'm speaking blasphemy. More just nonsense. A VRod is a Buell? | ||
| Juniorkirk |
If my father has a baby with another woman, that baby is my family. I even consider the HD V-rod a buell I would have to disagree with this statement. The way HD and Buell relate is more like your dad marrying another woman that already has kids. So a v-rod is just a step-brother....nowhere near related, but are part of a big family | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
well considering that before HD made the Revolution (V rod) engine an overweight chromes pig, that was the liquid cooled engine destined for Buell, but Erik didnt want it due to the weight of the engine. So once again, in a very faint way the Vrod is more "Buell" than any other HD...except for a Sporty, if you even want to go there lol. If im wrong correct me, thanks! Jake | ||
| Guard_rail |
The V-rod is a representation of the night H-D first started F'n Erick and didn't use protection. Buell got knocked up and had a V-rod but gave it up for adoption or rather left it in a trash can cause it was an un wanted child not born out of love like our 1125r/cr. So yes step brother or grand father is more like it. And H-D is the wicked step mom. The 1125 is cinderella before the ball and the 1190 is after the fair God step-father erick waves the wand. Doesn't anyone else watch Disney wit there kids other than me???????? Lmfao |
