| Author | Message | ||
     Jeepinbueller |
I know, I know ... hang me. I'm almost down to the cords on my 3,500 mile Pilot Power 2CT and I need to switch it up to something with a little more mileage in the center because I commute the CR. I love the pointier profile of the PPs over the Diablo III (of which I got about 4,500 miles out of), but again: I just need a little more longevity. Has anyone tried the Pilot Road II and the Angel ST? I've heard good things about both, but would kind of like a Bueller's opinion, especially on the 1125. Thanks for the help! They're both about the same price (~$240-250 F&R shipped). The PR III that just came out is too expensive (~$290-320 F&R shipped) and hasn't been on the market long enough to justify its inflated price over the well-received PR II. (Message edited by JeepinBueller on April 18, 2011) | ||
| Boogiman1981 |
i have the angel st's on my 08R now. the rear has right at 6k on it and still has plenty of miles left in it. the front is a lot newer and is well....newer. i don't race them but i am not docile on that bike either. only time i've ever felt less than completely confident was in a cold rain this past winter when i still had the CorsaIII up front. but i don't think that's the tires fault. (Message edited by boogiman1981 on April 18, 2011) | ||
| Nillaice |
i've got the ST's on mine, and like em. good profile and feedback (read: harder rubber) so far ~ a thousand mi a buddy has tehm on his 12S, and on a sunny saturday morning ride thru the twisty's; was smoking the rear upon corner entry (essentially drfitng) until i got his attention and singnaled him to slow it down | ||
| Methyman |
http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/Detail.bok?no =7780 Check this out!!! | ||
| Ridenusa4l |
Pilot Road 3ct's...if they are anything like the PR2's you will NOT be dissapointed Jake 10k rear 13k front (100+ everywhere, not easy miles, do not flame me for this im being honest i beat my bike, where full gear all the time and am respectful, so find some other thread to flame for the love of god) these are no joke miles | ||
| Rogue_biker |
If you want longevity without sacrificing much grip, the Diablo ROSSO's is the best tire out there. It is designed as a tire that slots between a sport tire and ST Tire. The Diablo III's are stickier but you will notice only if you ride them back to back. On their own they may as well be the same tire. The ROSSO's though last a long time when ridden on a lot of Highway. | ||
| Jeepinbueller |
Thanks for the help, fellas. I don't think I'm going to spring for the PR III this time around ... I'll wait to see how its reviews are. Rogue, you're talking about the Diablo Rosso, not the Diablo Rosso Corsa, right? Please keep in mind that I'm really not a "power out of a turn while smoking the rear" kinda guy. I don't really push it too hard on the road. Though I really enjoy hitting the turns smoothly and as fast as I'm comfortable with, I'm probably no where near any of you, haha. With a 3/4" CS on the rear and learning to get off the seat more, I am getting there. | ||
| Tougelabs |
Pilot road 2ct is pretty awesome...I'm not the best one when it comes to longevity I run Pilot Pures... | ||
| Catalan42 |
500 km (300 mi) will not kill your tires.....That's just a good day's riding! If you are already at 2200 km, I'm guessing that you are at mid-tread(?). If so, you should be OK at the school. If you are close enough to the end that 500 km may push you down to the limit of remaining tread, you should spring for new tires even if not absolutely necessary yet. Attending a nice school (or any track day) is a rare event and you will enjoy it much more if you have new rubber and have confidence in your tires. I have been very happy with the Diablo Rosso's. I see on the Pirelli website that there is a new Diablo Rosso 2 out (haven't seen it in the States yet, maybe in Europe?). Have fun! Alan P.S. Be sure to adjust your air pressure for the track. You will probably want to set it 2-4 PSI less than the manual spec of 34/36 psi for track use. | ||
| Catalan42 |
Also....... If you do get new tires, don't forget to scrub them in before you get to the track! The mold release agent on new tires is pretty slick. For the first 100-200 km on new tires, the traction is kind of like riding in the rain....... I just got a reminder of this after mounting new tires this afternoon. Turning left from a stop sign in my neighborhood, I spun out the rear (very mild throttle) and scratched up my brand new left pod!!!  | ||
| Dannybuell |
are you OK? | ||
| Dktechguy112 |
I have a pilot road 2 on the back of my CR, it grips really well, i have yet to loose grip and i have done some hard launches in 1st. It doesn't give the confidence when aggressively cornering. If you corner hard get the pilot power 2ct's, if you mainly commute, get the pilot road 2. | ||
| Jdugger |
> If you do get new tires, don't forget to > scrub them in before you get to the track I think at this point this is perhaps some old folklore that's no longer true. I commonly go into the warm-up lap of a race with the labels still on the new tire. Warm them up/scrub them in on the single warm up lap, and then go for it. | ||
| Craigg |
I replaced my stock front now at 12K and my rear at 9-10K I want to say because of a blow out while on an on ramp at 70 ( Didn't go down managed to gain control ) I went with the Rosso Corsa and I like them both much better grip and don't really need a warm up. Depending on the weather of course I do live in Chicago so the cold days they do. | ||
| Syonyk |
There's still the ability to be stupid with new tires, though... friend of mine did a good bit of damage to his 1125R leaving a tire shop at a "spirited pace" from the parking lot. I'm not sure what the mechanism is exactly, but brand new tires do seem to have a bit less grip initially. It might just be "roughing up" the rubber that helps it grip. Jdugger: You're hitting the track with new tires, but I'm guessing that warmup lap isn't full pace. Are you using tire warmers prior to heading out as well? | ||
| Catalan42 |
I'm fine.....just embarrassed! And sad about the scratched pod I was really quite shocked about "spinning out" the real wheel. I had only 1/4 to 1/3 throttle in, very smoothly rolling on, at most 45 deg lean for a second on clean dry pavement (I use this turn almost every time I leave my house). With warm tires (& scrubbed) I wouldn't have hesitated to use full throttle at that lean angle on clean pavement. Even in the rain with good tires I would have expected to be able to make that turn (although I avoid rain when possible and don't go over 25% effort when caught out in the wet). | ||
| Fresnobuell |
My last two big "moments" were on brand new rubber. One was literally the first turn out of the garage and the other was the second turn out of the garage. Yes, there is something about brand new tires. I had heard the mold release stuff was a wives' tale now, but there IS something different about new rubber. | ||
| Jdugger |
> You're hitting the track with new tires, but > I'm guessing that warmup lap isn't full pace. It's 80-90%. The point of the warm up lap is to warm up yourself, the bike, the tires. It's certainly faster than any reasonable street pace would be. > Are you using tire warmers prior to > heading out as well? Yes, but that's irrelevant to the discussion of mold release and new tires. | ||
| Jdugger |
Here's a very nice article on the subject: http://www.sportrider.com/tips/146_0810_how_to_war m_up_new_tires/index.html | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
From what I've read, the profile of the PR2s is significantly flatter than that of the PP2s. If you are happy with the bike's flickability with the PP2s, you may not necessarily like the PR2s. Going from the stock Corsa IIIs to PP2s was a huge improvement in flickability with no compromise in stability. Because of that, I probably won't ever voluntarily run another Pirelli motorcycle tire. (I do run my fork tubes flush with the top of the triple--the bike gets twitchy in the stock position.) I'm really surprised that you got 4500 out of the C3 but only 3500 out of the PP2. My rear C3 had cord peeking through with 2400 miles on it but I've got about that many miles on a set of PP2s and the rear looks like it has at least half of its tread left. Personally, I wouldn't want to risk compromising the bike's excellent flickability with a tire that has a less favorable profile--I'd just keep buying PP2s. | ||
| Carbonbigfoot |
I'm getting pretty good wear on the Power Pure. Not as "pointy" as the 2CT, but close. I'll probably go back to the 2CT's. R | ||
| Rogue_biker |
Yup. I'm talking about the Pirelli Diablo ROSSO's. It's been out for a few years and it's main purpose was to provide sport riders who have a need to commute and/or ride on hwy a lot, a tire that will give them the longevity during straight up riding with the stickiness of sport rubber like the Corsa III's. I personally think it's a better tire than a pure Sport Touring tire. | ||
| Kidder |
I have a Pilot Road 2 on the rear of my CR. I love it. So far, with 3000 miles on it, it's wearing very well. | ||
| Aszinegh |
I have about 5K miles on the Angels. very happy with them. Good in the rain, fairly sticky, and barely showing any wear yet. I do run 38psi front and rear. On an other note, does anyone know the wheel valve stem size? is it 8.3mm or 11.3mm. Thanks | ||
| Jeepinbueller |
Guys, thanks for all the help -- truly, I appreciate the input. I'm going with the Pilot Road II because I can get them for a good price, and I really need the mileage to step up a bit to make riding the bike more efficient than the Jeep ... especially with gas upwards of $4.25/gal for 92-94 octane around here. I'm sure I'll get used to the profile ... I mean, they'll be 100% better than my rounded-off Pilot Power 2CTs! If I don't like them, then so be it. I'll deal!  Thanks again. Ride safe. | ||
| Bigevildoer |
especially with gas upwards of $4.25/gal for 92-94 octane around here. That's all? Lucky you.. just filled up for the equivilant of $6.25/gal for premium yesterday... sucks to be in Canada when it comes to gas prices. | ||
| Dktechguy112 |
"I mean, they'll be 100% better than my rounded-off Pilot Power 2CTs! If I don't like them, then so be it. I'll deal! : )" From having pp 2cts and PR 2's, i can say the pp 2ct's are v shaped, so rounded off they probably are still more round then the pr2's. I'm going pp 2ct next time, they are the best tire i have found. | ||
| Catalan42 |
Hi - I just got back from 3 days at the track (Streets of Willow Springs). I put over 400 miles on a new set of Pirelli Diablo Rosso tires and am extremely happy with them. I saw that the newer Diablo Rosso 2 tires are available at some sellers, and look forward to trying them next. Alan | ||
| Dannybuell |
US and Canadian gallons are not the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gallon | ||
| Militarybuell |
In the past I've been a fan of Metzelers, but I haven't seen any discussion of using them. Past several years I haven't put a lot of mileage on my old bike, so don't know how their current tire line is. I've really liked the sets that I had from them previously. Currently I'm considering either the Roadtec Z8 Interact or Sporttec M5 Interact. Have people had bad results with them or other reason they aren't used? |
