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01lightning
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 02:44 pm: | 
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rogue, my stock 1125cr seems to have plenty of engine braking. I do have to be careful coming out of a corner from no throttle though.
Man, thats gotta be a completely different kind of riding(with no engine braking i mean). At the risk of sounding real dumb, is that the preference of all racers?
I'm trying to wrap my head around all of this and theres so much to it. Damn!
So if i understand correctly, the main advantages of the slipper clutch and no engine braking is so the bike can exit the corner more smoothly without the roll on of throttle being so abrupt....maybe?
Is the lack of engine braking the reason trail braking comes into play? |
Jdugger
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 03:29 pm: |
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> At the risk of sounding real dumb, is that the preference of all racers?
No. It is the natural way of a 2-stroke, though. A lot of old guys like no engine braking as a result. There's a whole era of I4 racers that like some drag. Danny Eslick, it's reported, rode his 1125r to a championship and preferred the stock clutch.
> the main advantages of the slipper clutch and no engine braking is so the
> bike can exit the corner more smoothly without the roll on of throttle
> being so abrupt....
That's one advantage.
The slipper...
* Reduces engine braking
* Reduces the chance of the rear tire stepping out under braking
* Allows the rider to "dump the clutch" without disruptive behavior
* Allows the rider to focus on other issues than rev matching and throttle blips
> Is the lack of engine braking the reason trail braking comes into play?
No. Trail braking is an appropriate technique in most cornering situations.
Remember, racers are concerned with maintaining the highest average speed for the longest amount of time going into the corner. That means using the brakes HARD to reduce speed quickly and as deeply into the corner as practically possible. For the most part, engine braking is more disruptive or just not that useful than effective -- stopping power at these speeds come from the front brake, not from engine drag. |
Daniii
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 04:39 pm: |
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I gotta say, the CR has a whole lot less engine braking than my V-Rod. I was a bit surprised by it after passing a bunch of plodding HD's when riding in Sturgis. And frankly, after a inadvertent inversion on the V-Rod when applying the front brake on a wet road, I'm just a bit gunshy about tapping the front brake at 85 mph. |
Usanigel
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 05:32 pm: |
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Daniii, I also have a vrod and when I press on the rear brake pedal I feel the braking effect. Do the same on the Buell and nothing at all. With a machine as powerful as the Buell ALL the brakes should work great!! |
Tippster
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 05:59 pm: |
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Huh - I can lock up the rear tire easily by stepping on the lever. I do weigh 240 lbs, tho...
The rear brake squealed like mad when I first got the bike (used - 500 miles on it) but that was because the previous owner never used it. Once broken in it has worked just fine. |
01lightning
| | Posted on Thursday, January 06, 2011 - 06:33 pm: |
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got alot to learn.
thanks! |
Petebueller
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2011 - 05:36 am: |
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I reckon the rear brake does go off like you say if you don't use it Tippster.
I took the 1125R to work this morning and I noticed that I pulled up at the traffic light on the tollway off ramp with just the rear brake. My fingers were covering the front but I didn't use them until I wanted to put my foot down. Braking distance was the same as I'd normally do in a car pulling up to a red light.
If you need to stop quickly you need to use both, but for me the rear works fine for slowing down.
My 1125R has more engine braking than my Firebolt. I always figured that this was in part due to the lighter rotating mass. Less inertia so the speed drops faster when the throttle is off and picks up faster when the throttle is on.
I briefly locked the back wheel a couple of times changing through corners until I worked out that I had a bit of rear brake on while I was letting the clutch out. I know not to do that but I'm not always aware of everything I'm actually doing when riding. I'll bet that it was a bad habit I was getting away with on the Firebolt because the engine had more inertia to keep the rear wheel turning as I let the clutch out. |
Dannybuell
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2011 - 11:07 am: |
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generally speaking the balls of your feet should be positioned over your foot pegs. With this position you are able to add weight/leverage to the inside peg. this action encourages the bike to turn in. |
Sprintst
| | Posted on Friday, January 07, 2011 - 11:23 am: |
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90% of the braking power is in the front.
Don't be afraid to use it.
It's interesting, since I come from a motorcycle and bicycling background, so I've always been a heavy front brake user. Used to lock up the front wheel on my '79 CB650 for the fun of it!
(Message edited by sprintst on January 07, 2011) |
Ridenusa4l
| | Posted on Sunday, January 09, 2011 - 03:18 am: |
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if i remember correctly the 10's had an upgraded two piston rear caliper, so if you could get one of those it may help..although im not 100% on that
Jake |
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