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Daniii
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

First time ever. Light usually comes on with 4 gallons used. I knew I was pushing it. I guess the fuel mileage indicator resets when you shut the bike off... I figure that gives me 20 miles to get gas, no sweat. And except apparently when its real cold it sucks gas. I average 32mpg, but haven't reset it in a while.
I was across the freeway from a gas station, and I only had to push it to the top of the overpass, and then rolled into the station (in front of two motorcycle cops). Thankfully, no one was blocking the intersection and the light was green.
The tank only took 4.6 gallons. I guess if that's the usable fuel, I'd better rethink my low fuel range when its cold.
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Boogiman1981
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yeah the sensors reading is temp related so the cold throws it off.

the last 3-4 mornings mine has actually thrown a code over it
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Xb1200rick
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 10:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My CR has put me to walking 2 times now..... I buy gas every 100 miles if I need it or not. Depending on temp/angle of the sun/ phase of the moon/ mood of the ecm... I get between 15 and 4 miles after the low fuel light comes on .. I'm not complaining . It has personality and we understand each other.

Rick
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Pwillikers
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 10:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

A contributing factor may be that, for winter in TX at least, they have changed to E10 (10% Ethanol) which yields a significant decrease in fuel mileage.
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Father_of_an_era
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 10:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Wow, I can usually get an additional 25 miles or so after the light comes on. I may be able to get more but I have not had the misfortune of running the tank dry. Although, its not from a lack of trying. LMAO Then again, it doesn't get as cold here in Southern California as it does in Texas (thank GOD because I would be crying like a baby) I have noticed a slight difference in overall fuel millage when it is cold vs when it is warm though.
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Nillaice
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 11:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

same hapened to me. fuel odo reset/cold weather. shit happens
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Pmjolly
Posted on Wednesday, December 15, 2010 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've never even seen my fuel light come on. I just don't let it get that low.
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Petebueller
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 06:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I took the boat from Melbourne to Tasmania. Lots of idling and I got 18 miles on reserve. Had to push it to the servo just after I got off the boat. I'd always figured I'd have at least 25 miles on reserve.
I've never run out on the Firebolt.
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Ratsmc
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Recently, I started getting a Fuel Sensor system error. I figured I was going to have to take it to the dealer but then I realized that it only happened when it was cold which is anything below 50F here in Phoenix.

A fuel level sensor that is temperature based doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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Daniii
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 12:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Good news is that it doesn't seem like it affected anything. But the 5 gallon tank seems to have about 4.6 useable. Is there an issue with feeding the left side vs the right? Does some fuel get stuck on one side or the other?
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Stirz007
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 02:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine mostly comes on at about 3 to 3.5 gallons used. So then I got trained to think "no problem" when light came on. Last time I did that, I was nearly bone dry. I track mileage like xb1200 now.... (All the Toyota's I've owned did this too - the gauge works differently for every one of them.)
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

HiPer requires more gas. And I agree with the the 4.6 to 4.8 effective capacity of the tank. Funny, I ran out of gas several times on the XB and never have on the R because I would disregard the XBs fuel light due to the 40-50 mile "reserve" range and end up forgetting I needed gas. On the R I see it light up and I start looking for the next gas station.
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Fresnobuell
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 03:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Does anyone's 1125 have a "false" first fuel light followed after a few miles by the real low fuel light?

It's pretty much like clockwork on mine.

I wonder if it's because the fuel is sloshing around in the tank and the sensor gets a false reading right at a certain level--then the fuel level gets low enough that it doesn't hit the sensor at all and the LFL stays on constantly?
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01_turbowolf
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 03:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

mine does that i figured the sensor was on the right side so when its parked it sees it being lower than it is. i always took it as being a nice little feature, lets you know you will need fuel instead of comin on ten miles down the road after you pass the station
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Ratsmc
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 03:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When low, I get a fuel light every time I start up. Usually goes away after a mile or so. Then when the fuel actually gets low, it comes back on again. I'm assuming the sensor is on the right-hand side and the fuel rests on the left when on the side stand.
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Petebueller
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 04:43 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine does the same
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Daggar
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 04:51 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine does that too.
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Father_of_an_era
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yep, same here.
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Daniii
Posted on Thursday, December 16, 2010 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I get a check engine and low fuel light when its real cold out, but it goes away in a few miles.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 - 10:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When it's cold outside and you get CEL plus LFL lights, one of two parts is bad and should be replaced if you still have warranty.

1) Key on get LFL & CEL, both go out when OpTemp is reached - old Rev IC - Replace IC with new.

2)LFL and CEL come on as the CT gets to OpTemp, may or may not go out as you ride, contingent on ambient temp. - sensor out of range - replace fuel pump/sensor assy.

This is from personal experience and a few e-mails from an anonymous Buell engineer.

CEL = check engine light
LFL = low fuel light

Zack
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Ratsmc
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Zac, if I am experiencing the first issue, is there anything else the old rev IC will cause? I ask because I am about to ride out to California and really can't see being able to get it into the shop for a while (like a couple of months).
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Ogobracing
Posted on Friday, December 17, 2010 - 08:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've found that the fuel light on mine means GET GAS NOW. There is not a lot of margin.
Having said that, am I ever envious of people who are still riding. Here in Pennsylvania's great northwest you would need spiked tires and very large ones (not spikes).
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Zac4mac
Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 - 06:51 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Ratsmc -
Both issues are just the annoyance of seeing the lights.
Neither causes a "limp" mode or anything other than the codes staying "historic" for 50 clean starts.

I lived with mine thru 2 Winters of constant LFL/CEL on anytime it's below 40 dF, with no rideability issues, before I finally got it fixed.

Z
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Geforce
Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 - 09:54 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have never put a lot of trust in the LFL or fuel gauges in vehicles. When I hit 1/4 tank on my truck/car I check the trip then I look for fuel. The same principle applies for my Buells. I always reset the trip on both the 1125r and XB12Scg to ensure that I have a better sense of where/what the bikes need and when. Once I hit that mark, I search for good fuel.
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Ratsmc
Posted on Saturday, December 18, 2010 - 02:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks for the info. I am actually getting the LFL/CEL any time it gets below 50 and sometimes even warmer. Now that I have figured out what conditions are causing it, I'm not worried about running out of gas.

I am moving back to California and hopefully, I will have chance to get it into the dealer before it warms up so they can reproduce it since historical codes don't seem to be enough to make a warranty claim.
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