| Author | Message | ||
     Milleniumx1 |
Sure, I'll try it - The extra ground wire. I'm an EE dating back to my USAF days, and I know that you can never have too good of a ground. Rarely do I have a vehicle that I haven't installed an extra ground or two, so why should my '09R be any exception? Will it help ... Who knows. But it can't hurt. Mike | ||
| Murf |
Well the extra grounds didn't help mine. Today it won't charge even when cold. I'm gonna try a different regulator and if that doesn't do it I'll have to haul it to the dealer- 5 hours round trip. Murf | ||
| 1125rcya |
I pulled my seat off tonight...No ground from my VR to anywhere. VR/Stator replaced 10/18/2010 | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
I knew mine didn't have the ground wire that 1125cr took a picture of. I always check my bike over when it comes home, having just recently done so from its stator R/R. It's there now though, in the "can't hurt" category. I had some 10 gauge and the right size ends laying around, so why not?! Started it up, saw 14.2 right away. Could be coincidence, but that's a number I've not seen before with the E B R unit, even since getting it back. Maybe it's just a sign of good luck - I'll take it  Mike | ||
| Murf |
Any idea what percentage of 'bad stators' occurred with stock ecms as opposed to others? Murf | ||
| Milleniumx1 |
Murf, I don't know ... But read lots of opinions and what could probably be called anecdotal evidence. My '09R stator was R/R at 3,100 miles - Subharness was done around 1,800. The bulk of those post 1,800 miles were using the E B R box. Once I had it back, I rode about 200 miles with the stock ECM, latest flash. I did notice the stocker charges slightly higher (0.1 - 0.2) pretty much across the range. But both seem fine, and I like the ride factor with the E B R. Do I think adding the ground wire is the solution for all the stator ills? No. But in the $4 and it can't hurt category, I can find a few minutes to tinker. I would love to believe my new stator will live a good long time ... Fingers crossed. Mike (Message edited by milleniumx1 on October 26, 2010) | ||
| Dreso1021 |
Just to clarify...is this an '09-'10 issue for the most part or are the '08s affected just as much with the stator? | ||
| Skntpig |
08s have a lower output stator and don't overheat as much. | ||
| 1125rcya |
I feel better that E BR is using the same stator (I hope), this sounds promising. | ||
| Dannybuell |
------ ground wire update ------- Temperatures are down, Stock ECM, when things dried up a bit I took an urban ride last evening. On my usual 15 mile route traffic was light at that hour on the hwy but I still missed a lot of lights,stop and go. That VR reading seems to be about 2 points higher with the ground wire idea. From last week's traffic low of 11.9-11.8 the readings were in the 14.0-14.1 range. It seems to be doing better. next testing sequence will be the Erik Buell Racing ECM. This by all accounts will be a good lower rpm charging performance stress test. 1125cr THX for sharing!! Time will tell. | ||
| Keef |
Well here you go, my first stator that was fried,i saw it,it was burnt,did not have the harness patch,about 1500 miles later with the harness patch installed I lost my second stator it also was burnt and when the tech called HD he was told to tell me to keep the RPM's over 5k, yea' ok that aint gonna happen I ride my cr on the street and I cannot and will not keep it wrapped up over 5k all the time that is BS...so I ordered and installed a mosfet regulator and removed the harness,I did install the new regulator in the factory spot you will have to remove the lower mounting stud and it will fit fine once you get it down in there.... | ||
| Rex |
Over 5,000 rpm. Hard to believe the factory would say to keep a motor idling above 5,000 rpm. Not for a street bike. | ||
| Usanigel |
The advantage with riding at 5,000 rpm plus is you will soon get banned from driving and the warranty will run out before you get to ride again!! Its just a very cheap setup and harley don't/ won't fix it correctly. My Vrod system works fine all the time and its the same basic setup. The buell system would be fine if cheap components had not been used! | ||
| Ezblast |
Devil Mountain as usual rocks and will be doing this wire ground secondary to my bike as a matter of fact, gratis - since the bike is in for other things, not the bikes fault - lol - their tech.s agree this makes perfect sense. Devil Mountain has customer service that beats any other dealership I've experienced. I'll let you know how this works for me - I've always had my voltage read in the low 13s. It would be nice to see a higher average. We'll see - I'll post up as soon as I get her back. I'll be running the Erik Buell Racing ecm as well. EZ (Message edited by ezblast on November 01, 2010) | ||
| Duphuckincati |
Sorry to be a dumb ass, but where is the regulator mounted on a California bike? The Cali cannister is in the location shown in the picture back on page one. | ||
| Dannybuell |
go to the top of the screen the archive has a picture of one from 1125cr, by his finger on the right mounted vertically. | ||
| Duphuckincati |
Ah, I was definitely confused. Thanks. | ||
| Rex |
EZ...good to hear about Devil Mountain. I guess mike still owns both of the shops? We should invite Mike back to one of our ASBN meetings one of these days. My battery light comes on at certain times. I will head down the interstate for a couple of miles and then head back after having coffee late at night. When I pull off of the interstate and come up to the first light, that is when the battery light comes on. I am assuming the motor is hot, and that might affect the stator. I check the battery and it drops down to the low 12's. 12.1, 12.2, etc. This is idling around 1,500 rpm. I had the back wiring fix done, but I don't think they replaced the stator. Before the wiring the battery light would come on, and the dash lights would go off at night as I approached home. I have no leak from the clutch area. I do see coolant stains on the motor on the right side. Nothing large, just white stains from the drip hole. Are you coming to the ASBN anniversary in December? We should talk. Will you have the Erik Buell ECM installed by then? REX | ||
| Ezblast |
already installed ECM - they are fixing a drop I did - lol - under my insurance - she'll be like new - sounds like this will work and that your stator may already be fried - the voltage should never run long term that low. EZ | ||
| Youk |
If Harley / Buell wants an example of a failed stator that always had the upgrade, they can look at mine... My bike had less than 50 miles on it when the upgrade was installed. My bike Had 19 miles on it when I bought it in January. It was parked until I took it in for inspection and the upgrade in the spring, so I only rode it like 15 miles to the dealer. I'm not sure of the current mileage, I want to say its around 2000, Maybe 2500. The stator went, and within a week of replacement, so did the voltage regulator. The stator was replaced by New Castle Harley - Davidson / Buell. I can provide VIN if it helps. I haven't had a chance to pick it up, but will soon. (Message edited by Youk on November 12, 2010) | ||
| Reepicheep |
If you get it, it would be great if you would pack it up and ship it to Erik Buell Racing with no obligations, just a short note and nice succinct history. Maybe they will get to it, maybe not, but I bet they would do more for us as a community then Harley will. | ||
| Rex |
Was at the Triumph / Ducati dealership yesterday looking around. A buell guy and his girl friend was in there looking at bikes. Apparently his girlfriend saw a crack in their Buell frame and let her boy friend know. He is trying to get his frame fixed at the local harley dealer, or replaced. they were looking at new triumph sport bikes. | ||
| Zac4mac |
There should be a stator in the system now from High Country that failed after living its whole life on the harness update. Should have been another one from the same bike sent in from Maury's shop in New Mexico a month or two back. I hope this gets fixed soon. Zack | ||
| Mackja |
I have a 2009 1125r, had the harness recall done at 2500 miles, first stator and vr replaced at 6500 miles, second stator bad out of the box, third stator lasted 2000 miles, and I am picking it up today with the fourth stator installed, hope this one last a while. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Mackja - sounds like quality control issues. | ||
| Jeepinbueller |
New stator doing fine for me with 2000 miles on the clock. Both harness and EB R ECM the entire time. Things I've noticed: with low beam operation only, voltage stays between 12.3 at stoplights and 13.4 while under way. Voltage reads 14.4 when just starting and during the first 10 mins or so of operation, but then falls to around 13.4-13.7 after that. During rides more than 10 mins (all of them, haha), voltage never exceeds 13.7 VDC. During high beam operation is another story: when using high beam (at night), voltage never exceeds 12.7 and dips down to 12.0 at stoplights. Hasn't ever dipped into the 11's which is great. Battery light only comes on when in really heavy traffic more than 15 mins with the low beam on, and very often when the high beam is on. When the high beam is on, the battery light comes on at 12.5 VDC and stays on until it gets above that (under spirited riding). And that's okay b/c I know it's just the ECM telling me that there *may* be a situation where system voltage is of concern. Still kinda' bush-league that using the high beam triggers a situation where the battery *might* be in danger of losing charge. Thank goodness I stopped thinking about it a while ago and until it leaves me stranded (again), I'm happy  (Message edited by jeepinbueller on November 13, 2010) | ||
| Dannybuell |
Jeepinbueller - Your description is exactly my circumstance. When I take out the Erik Buell Racing ecm I never see the battery light. My experience has been with the HD ecm the electrical controls are much more robust than the Erik Buell Racing version. By an Anon admission on this subject 'we have a higher break even point'. a couple months ago I sent my ecm in Erik Buell Racing to reinstate the factory IAC decel and the factory ecm electrical controls. After a few weeks of riding the battery light. I complained to Erik Buell Racing by email about not getting the factory ecm electrical control. It's been a few weeks with no answer. | ||
| Jeepinbueller |
Thanks for the insight, Danny. I mean, it really hasn't had a problem ... just the battery light pops up every time I use my high beam. I think it's just more disheartening than anything since it's been my primary mode of transportation for the past year. Kinda' don't like things like that looming over my head before I head out up to PA or something. Let me know if you get an answer. I'm sending my EB R ECM back in to get the Barker-specific tune flashed onto it and I hope there's some sort of parameter they can restore that matches the OEM ECM to let the charging system do its thing. I don't really understand the "higher break even point," but I suspect that it's related to using the engine as a racing powerplant rather than a DD. | ||
| Reducati |
jeep, i got race ecm, and my harness update was installed at 500 miles...mine does the exact same thing as yours, except i dont use my high beem since i installed an hid low beam. original stator, and im at 6,500 miles. | ||
| Dannybuell |
I just sent this as an email to ebr. It is 58 degrees F. I just came back from a ride where I rode 30 minutes at 70 mph and then 20 minutes of stop and go up to 40mph. As I was sitting at the light waiting to get back on the freeway the battery light goes on. I look and see 11.9 volts. It isn't hot out, I am almost overfilled on oil and I am using the your ECM. The stock ECM does not do this. The last time I sent the ECM in I asked for an electrical control that is like stock. Is there anything you can do about this? (Message edited by dannybuell on November 15, 2010) |
