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Curve_carver
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 08:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Has anyone purchased this particular lever set? http://cgi.ebay.com/SHORTY-CNC-Brake-Clutch-Lever- BUELL-1125R-1125CR-/350389657489?pt=Motorcycles_Pa rts_Accessories&hash=item5194d9df91

I've seen a few other cheap lever sets on ebay. Would anyone like to share their experience with shorty levers.
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Kicka666
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 08:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

They are Pazzo copies out of China, I had a set on my GSX/R1000 & they were fine & from the same seller. The only thing that was ordinary was the anodizing faded quickly.
I have Pazzo shorties on my CR & love them, I hated the clutch take up on the standard levers.
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Smurph
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 11:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a set of PSR CNR shorty levers (all black) I ordered thinking they were standard length, didn't specify in book. I prefer the feel of the full length, if you are interested I would sell them for $150 shipped through UPS and insured.
email me at rsxs04 at yahoo dot com if you are interested I can get you some pics.
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Marcodesade
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Smurph are those the Dagger style (pistol-grip with pointy ends)? If so I might be interested in a trade. I have the long PSR's . . .
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Curve_carver
Posted on Tuesday, October 12, 2010 - 11:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I kind of figured that the anodizing would fade off .Id go with the silver pair with the black adjusters.I'll email him and ask if the silver ones are anodized or bare.

I didn't really care for the the dagger style. They seem to be a little too cheesy for my likes. I'm not really into all the sticker and flashy garb.
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Drawkward
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 12:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

These ones?

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/593576.html?1284441752
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Jdugger
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

> I didn't really care for the the dagger style

Plus, anything sharp or pointed around the handlebars or controls is just plain stupid.

Pointed anything on a bike is a good way to loose a hand or a wrist, etc.
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Marcodesade
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 12:31 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I agree with what you're saying JD. But these "daggers" aren't sharp. The edges are rounded, and are considerably less sharp than, for example, the corner of the windscreen. Here's a link to a picture I took of mine (2nd photo down): http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/524895.html#POST1687239

I have seen other models that DID look like they came right off a knife. But these aren't them.
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Jdugger
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 03:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pointed enough they wouldn't pass tech in my race league.

Ball end are the way to go for safety.
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Nattyx1
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 09:02 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Unless you like the idea of punching holes in your palms stigmata-style, stay away from those things.

Also? There's lots of talk in here about what a "shame" it is that Buell shut down and all those nice American workers lost their manufacturing jobs (and rightly so). Yet here's a perfect example (at least in part) of why this is happening.

You could support American workers and
American ingenuity by buying a fabulous set of ASV levers (made in SoCal)... or you can go to bay and order those knockoffs from HongKong. Your choice of course. Think short term, save $100, and I'm sure the Chinese guy who owns the Chinese factory will be grateful when he goes to purchase his next Bentley.

But imagine a tight economic circle. What do you do/produce/make in your job? Maybe the happy ASV workers who are ALSO your happy customers will disappear because they got laid off. And then as your domestic market collapses, you get the pink slip too. And all that will be super fun to think about as you bolt on yoiur HongKong specials.

Maybe we should all start studying Mandarin...

:-(
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Westmoorenerd
Posted on Wednesday, October 13, 2010 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You can get some ASV take-offs for a pretty decent price. I got my set for something like $180 shipped, and let me tell you, they are nice!
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Cravacor
Posted on Saturday, October 16, 2010 - 12:02 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The ASVs are tits, I have a set as well. Be American, buy American!
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Smurph
Posted on Wednesday, October 27, 2010 - 11:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sorry didn't check back in on this thread till now the set I have are standard ends NOT dagger style. I still have these if someone is interested.
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Drawkward
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2010 - 01:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Natty, if I bought American every time I had the chance or option I'd not only be broke I'd be in debt. Your soapbox sure is tall.

Buell being shut down had nothing to do with the Chinese or Chinese products.
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Cravacor
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2010 - 02:22 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I bought imported goods every time I had a chance there would be no more industrial base in this country... oh wait...
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Pmjolly
Posted on Thursday, October 28, 2010 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Natty, I'm with you. I am not looking for new levers, but if I was, I'd buy the American made levers. I cannot stand the fact that more and more of our goods are made overseas. I ALWAYS buy American made when possible. I don't care if it costs 10 times more. It is the principle. I am an electrician. I have been in the trade for more than 20 years. I do some commercial, but mainly heavy industrial work. I am not so thick headed that I cannot or will not realize or admit that my job depends on industry surviving in the good ol' US of A.
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Pwillikers
Posted on Wednesday, November 03, 2010 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pazzo's are from Canada. Not that that makes any side of this argument right or wrong. What I find reprehensible is that Chinese manufacturers routinely steal and clone designs of others and the Chinese government is unwilling to enforce patent/copyright infringement laws.

In terms of buying American, the line is blurred. You don't know where what you're buying is produced. This from Edmunds.com:

"Chrysler's retro PT Cruiser may recall American cars of the prewar era, but it's produced at a Chrysler plant in Toluca, Mexico. And according to the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA), only 35 percent of the PT Cruiser's content is sourced in the U.S. or Canada. The "American" Ford Fusion contains just 30-percent U.S./Canadian content, whereas the competing "Japanese" Honda Accord contains 70 percent, Nissan Altima 65 percent and Toyota Camry 80 percent."

On the other side of the argument, they go on to say:

"... the Japanese companies still lag significantly behind the domestics in their total commitment to the American labor market. According to the survey, domestic automakers currently employ 35 U.S. employees for every 1,000 vehicles sold, whereas foreign automakers employ only 13."
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Bigevildoer
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pazzo's are from Canada. Not that that makes any side of this argument right or wrong. What I find reprehensible is that Chinese manufacturers routinely steal and clone designs of others and the Chinese government is unwilling to enforce patent/copyright infringement laws.


Sure, it's unethical. But imagine the USA attempting to force its' laws onto Saudi Arabia, Iran or any other country. US laws don't apply in other countries. Sorry.


"... the Japanese companies still lag significantly behind the domestics in their total commitment to the American labor market. According to the survey, domestic automakers currently employ 35 U.S. employees for every 1,000 vehicles sold, whereas foreign automakers employ only 13."


OK, here goes - this isn't intended to be union bashing etc etc. Plain truth, that's all.

A very close friend of mine works in the automotive industry as a workflow / Just in time / labour placement specialist (for lack of a better title). He started at Toyota, and was subsequently head hunted by 4 different companies, all increasing pay scale etc etc. He now makes about $500K a year for Bombardier.

He told me that at Toyota they run a very lean manufacturing system, not overstaffed, and everything is very ergonomic etc.

After his 2nd head-hunt, he was sent to a north american (believe it was GM) plant in New York State to see if he could fix it. The plant was about 1 year from closure due to crazy cost over runs and lack of production.

His first 3 months there were spent analyzing the plant. Next 3 starting to move workers around etc etc.
The union gave him nothing but hassles because they thought his work flows would cause a major loss of jobs. Well buckos, either adapt and lose some, or stick with what you've got and lose all.

Ends up, his plans had to lay off 25% of the workforce instead of 100% (closure).

In his estimates, the plant was still highly overstaffed to do the work they were doing. The plant ended up turning a small profit and was projected to steadily increase as reforms were put in place.

Ends up, plant stayed open, improved production by over 50% at the end of 1.5 years.

So, why should foreign manufacturers employ way too many people? Just so they can say "look how many lazy bastards we employ"? I'm sure the US mfg's could have made a go of things without a bailout if they would have maintained a lean mfg structure. What got them in trouble was carrying 35-40% too many staff WITH absolutely stunning benefits.

Workers at Toyota are non-unionized (all the plants I know that is) and actually can lose their jobs if they don't produce - so, they produce.

If I've offended people - sorry...
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Drawkward
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 07:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Big:

quote:

If I've offended people - sorry...




Didn't offend me. I'm a big fan of what you're saying.

Unions generally hurt manufacturing and drive costs up. No arguing that.
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Xnoahx
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 07:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Unions had their place. Now they are just bloat
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Desmo900
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think if you look at Boeing, you'll see were a union company is very productive.
Just in the commercial aircraft division we produce 55 airliners per month. That's a plane every 9 hours.
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Christaylor
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 08:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The craftsmanship and skill of union employees, especially at Boeing, are second to none.

Logo

Union jobs are career jobs.
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Kc10_fe
Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2010 - 11:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Less than 10% of this entire nation of workers are union.
Jobs go overseas because everyone wants to purchase the cheapest shit and have the highest profit margin. Hourly wage earners are not to blame for our woes.
Unions are easy to blame for everything. I often find many people busy in the practice of union bashing do it out of jealousy. We all made our choices in life. If you have found yourself being undercompensated or without fringe benefits and underappreciated donít blame others.
Feel free to enlighten me as to when a non union elevator company has installed a vertical transportation system in a building with 70+ floors in the past 110 years. The answer would be NEVER. IUEC was organized in 1901 and the Empire State Building went up in 1930 powered by Otis.

Otis, Schindler, Fujitech, Thyssen Krupp, Kone are all UNION powered companies. All this non union vs. union crap kills me.
Skilled labor isnít cheap because it takes years and thousands of hours of training to become a true professional. If you hate unions so much please do me a favor and take your whiner asses up the freakin stairs next time you see those companiesí symbols in the elevator cab.






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Bptex
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 09:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You are right about jealousy. Do well in school, go to college, get a decent job and watch guys that barely graduated high school make 3x what you do because they lucked into a union job.

Obviously there are exceptions but when someone can make $48 an hour plus a benefit package worth $20 more per hour doing a job that anyone running the fry station at McDonalds could learn in a week, there are problems. I'm talking specifically about assembly line labor at a GM plant.
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Drawkward
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Kc 10: Did you ever stop to consider that elevators are only allowed to be built by unions because the builders will be sued if they use anyone else? It is a union industry. Your point is invalid.

About the jealousy....I think it's more disgust. What bptex said is true...for the job most union employees do, they're grossly overpaid. A good friend of mine does union work for BP here in Houston. Some of the stories he tells me about overtime and billable hours for what amounts to fake work is disgusting. And they all do it.
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Jules
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 10:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Like most things in life there are good and bad unions.

The place I work is not a closed shop but the unions still do a pretty good job of protecting everyone, we've never (yet)had industrial action here but the management respect the union which is useful.

I'm not actually a member as I prefer to negotiate my own rate directly with the company but I can see the benefit.

On the other hand, some of the more militant unions (transportaion for example) really do create more problems than they solve..

There's good and bad in everyone (unions included).

I'm not sure how this bit is relevant:
Feel free to enlighten me as to when a non union elevator company has installed a vertical transportation system in a building with 70+ floors in the past 110 years. The answer would be NEVER. IUEC was organized in 1901 and the Empire State Building went up in 1930 powered by Otis.

but it was interesting to learn..

Having never heard of the IUEC before I did a quick "google" and found this:

https://iuec.org/Elevator%20TechnologiesCladding%20of%20Hoistway%20Entrances.asp

I would have to say that having read that I don't think that's a particularly positive example of a good union... Other than from the perspective that it protects it's members (which is arguably what they are there for) - unfortunatley it's actively promoting restrictive practices and artificially inflating the cost to the customer which is a big part of the problem with some unions..

(Message edited by Jules on November 05, 2010)
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Jules
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The more I read about the IUEC the less I like it... Is it still commonplace for union members to communicat using the "Brothers and Sisters" phrase? I thought that type of thing died out in the seventies...

http://nlpc.org/category/keywords/international-un ion-elevator-constructors-iuec?page=2

I don't want to bash any particular union but as that examopkle was cited i thought I'd take a look. IMHO that's not a good example of a union that wants to work with management for the betterment of all parties.

But hey - that's just my opinion and it has nothing to do with shorty levers!
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1_mike
Posted on Friday, November 05, 2010 - 10:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hey Christaylor -

I work at one of Boeing's major competitors in the Aerospace arena.

No Unions here, and they hate us because we can put out better work, faster.

Been proven over and over, a good management vs. unions, the good management will win every time as far as quality output is concerned.

The last shop I worked at, was a Union shop on the floor and nonunion in management.
We'd commonly see guys on the floor turning out 1/4% of the work they should...and we could do nothing about it...!
The unions stood up for the deadbeats

Mike
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