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Milleniumx1
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Guys, I'm thinking this is obvious, but I always learn a lot here at BWB. My '09R has 2,100 miles on it and the center section of the rear prompts me to install the recently-purchased Michelin Pilot Power 2CT tires. That damn torque ; )

So the question. My front is fine, looks like it could go another few thousand. But while I'm there, it seems that swapping both makes sense. Not sure if mixed rubber matters, but it doesn't seem sensible to me. Thoughts?

Mike
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Tpoppa
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Can open. Worms everywhere.
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Jeepinbueller
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 11:07 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Can open. Worms everywhere."
Hahaha ... Nothing Bounty can't handle with their new ultra quilty double thickness 2000 grit sandpaper edition paper towels.


When I switched to my 2CTs I swapped the front as well ... looked like I could have gotten another 1.5-2K miles on it how I ride. I think it's just good insurance to swap the front with new rubber when switching brands that have different profiles. I've found new 2CT fronts for ~$90.

(Message edited by jeepinbueller on June 28, 2010)
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Milleniumx1
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

And about oil, synthetic (SYN3 or what? or regular dino? How about break-in procedure for the first 620? JUST JOKING!!!

Mike
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My front tire needed replacement before my rear on my CR.
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D_adams
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Having holes in the tire doesn't count.
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T_man
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Milleniumx1- I am in just about the same situation as you (I have a new set of normal Pilot Powers to mount). My rear is toast and front 'at first glance' seems ok. Here's something I learned about front tires and its something to consider:

Very gently run your hand over the contour of the front tire. You should notice there are 2 discernable flat spots.
1) Where you'd expect - like the rear - along the middle
2) NOT where you'd expect - unlike the rear - a flat spot just off center to the left.

The second flat spot is caused from roads that slope gently downwards from the middle for rain run-off. The angle depends on the road, but if you do a lot of varied travelling you've most likely incurred this characteristic to your front.

In conclusion; if I were you I'd replace both at the same time - especially if you do trackdays or push it hard in the twisties. No fun tipping in with a nice round rear and a beveled off front! Hope this helps.
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Xodot
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I took my 25R in for a rear only a few weeks ago. the Expert came out from the back and told me I needed a new front. I had already looked at the front critically but knowing that I know nothing about these things, I asked him to show me why I needed a new front. He did the "run the hand over" routine with me and I realized that at the novice level I ride at, a new front is not going to make any difference to my riding experience and a new front will be in the same shape in a couple of thousand kms anyhow. When I told the expert I was satisfied with the condition of the front and I would get it changed with the next new rear he relented and got on with the job.
Now sure in a perfect world all tires are new, but since I live in the world of "make do" and not "make believe", sometimes I have to settle for pretty good instead of perfect.

Oh yea BTW, I am thrilled with the way the bike handled with just the new rear. You will be too Millen. IMHO of course!
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Jdugger
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For regular street riding, if the front is compliant, has plenty of side tread, and feels OK, I think it's generally OK. I've been running "two to one" for years on the street without an issue, although a lot of times my front won't quite last two rears.

On the track, you are as likely to wear out fronts as rears, even more so. The braking and intense cornering really tears 'em up, in particular the softs that give you so much confidence.

I swap those in pairs and sell the rears off to the local squids... I want that "fresh" feeling : )
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Ccryder
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 12:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

It is up to the rider. But, there is nothing that makes the bike handle better than fresh tires on BOTH ends.

I usually change both at the same time because it does feel better, IMHO.

Later
Neil S.
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Froggy
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 01:46 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Having holes in the tire doesn't count.




No holes, it was bald before the rear was showing the cords. I replaced the front at about 6800 miles then the rear at 7000. Other than my Blast I have always gone through fronts first. Here is an old pic of a 15,000 mile Scorpion sync from my XB, it looked exactly like my Corsa III on my CR.

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Mikellyjo
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 02:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Holy Moly...that's one heck of a profile!
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Thefleshrocket
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 02:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I change the front and rear tires at the same time if I'm switching brands/types of tires. For example, my rear Corsa III is close to being worn out but the front probably has a couple thousand more miles on it. But I'm going to replace both with PP 2CTs at the same time. When the rear 2CT wears out before the front, I'll just change the rear, though. Some people mix and match tires and claim that they don't notice any problems, though.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 09:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

My first front tire lasted 19,994 miles. then I fell down...
The second front tire is slick at 5k miles????

Same rider, Corsa IIIs both, max suggested pressure.

Rear C-IIIs last me 5-7k miles.

Ride until worn out, replace, repeat.

Z
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Milleniumx1
Posted on Monday, June 28, 2010 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had them both replaced. I was surprised when the tech asked me if I wanted to replace rear brake pads. Turns out they were quite low ... I would have thought the fronts might be, but not the rears.

They didn't have them in stock, so I'll just get a set and replace them. I only rode a few miles with the PP 2CT's. Feel fine to me, but didn't push it yet. Running them at 32/32 since that's easy to remember ; )

The previous rear seemed to be spinning under hard acceleration in first gear. The new rear didn't feel as much like that, and the front was coming up more. Still feels like it's spinning a bit, but I could be wrong.

Mike
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