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Avc8130
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 08:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I was thinking about the clutch weep as I was bleeding brakes the other day. I read that you should never fill the brake reservoir more than 1/2 to allow for expansion as the fluid heats. Would the same logic apply to the clutch? If the reservoir is full to the top, and the fluid heats (inevitable since it is in the engine) could the fluid be forced past the seal and weep?
ac
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Kevin_stevens
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 08:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Doubtful. You'd have to be generating more pressure via expansion than the operating pressure when you use the clutch.

KeS
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Bueller4ever
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've read that when the clutch wears fluid is pushed back into the reservoir. I believe the manual says to not fill it full for this very reason.

It's probably filled to the top at the factory.
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Avc8130
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So, if the clutch wear pushes fluid back into the master...and it's full...where does it go next?
ac
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D_adams
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 09:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

I've read that when the clutch wears fluid is pushed back into the reservoir. I believe the manual says to not fill it full for this very reason.




As the clutch plates wear, more fluid will be required in the slave unit, not less, which would drop the fluid level in the reservoir.

Same thing with a cable actuated clutch. As the plates wear, you need to take the slack out of the cable to account for wear, so on the 1125, add fluid on the hydraulic type clutch to take out the "slack".

(Message edited by d_adams on May 02, 2010)
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Avc8130
Posted on Sunday, May 02, 2010 - 09:48 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Brakes: As the pad wears the pistons come out further. More fluid is supplied from the reservoir.

Clutch:
As the clutch wears the pack gets thinner. I haven't seen the slave cylinder setup. I guess the slave piston would have to come out further?
ac
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Bueller4ever
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 05:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Page 1-17 in the service manual states.

Note

Do not overfill the clutch master cylinder reservoir. Leave sufficient volume in the reservoir to accommodate the rise in fluid level as the clutch friction discs wear.

I'm like a sponge when it comes to remembering notes, warnings, etc.
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Avc8130
Posted on Monday, May 03, 2010 - 07:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So that could be one of the culprits.
ac
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Thurstonbuell
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Was just loading up some pics I took after a fresh coat of paint and re-doing my belly pan , and apparently I have another leaky hub ....

Ugh





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Zac4mac
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 11:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just spin your puck 180 degrees and put the weep hole up-top.
That will stop the dribble, but you will have to drain it now and then.

The kit to fix that is p/n X2086.1AM.

Z
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Thurstonbuell
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Thanks Z ,

that part# ....is that the current fix I take it ? is it a plunger rebuild ?

Ken
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Jpinkerton
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 06:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have had nothing but nuisances with this bike since I bought it. I have had 2 left rear blinkers burn out (2009 LED versions) and now I have the clutch weep which is only getting worse. My brake lever is covered in fluid after a 15 minute ride and the drip marks are all down my casing. I need to take it in to the dealer.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 09:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes, that number is current and the fix works.
This kit replaces an aluminum cylinder lining with SS.
The piston is still lightweight Aluminum.

Loretta dribbled for a year and a half until "The Fix" came out, not a drip since.

Zack
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98s1lightning
Posted on Tuesday, May 04, 2010 - 09:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Well theres no way I can see any built up pressure causing the drip. It just doesn't work that way, if the pressure ever were to get that high it would disengage the clutch as it would be doing the same thing as pulling in the lever.
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Bueller4ever
Posted on Wednesday, May 05, 2010 - 05:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm guessing excess pressure is from pulling in the clutch with to much fluid in the system. It's in the manual. I doubt they would have mentioned it if it didn't cause some sort of failure.
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