| Author | Message | ||
     Chessm |
after 25K mile problem free miles on the XB i got stranded today on my 5 month old, 4K miles 1125CR DOH! had to happen in a place with no cell signal too. well at least i get to say that ive hitchhiked recently. i was out in the hills and the check engine light and the battery light came on. i switched to the volt meter and saw the voltage slowly dropping as i was riding...12...11....10...9..system voltage warning then dead a long hike, a hitched ride and $80 tow later..she's back in the garage. oh well i gotta take her in anyway for the new harness, the clutch weep and false neutrals (neutral light on but actually in gear) just got the checking strips down to less than half an inch today too  | ||
| Froggy |
Sounds like you did your stator in. Bad news is they are on back order. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
"Chicken" strips | ||
| Thecowboyblack |
stator..... back ordered till the 30th....get in line asap... | ||
| Kevin_stevens |
So if I've had the charging harness fix done, what are the odds that I may have damaged the stator to the point where I need to be concerned about future failure? I had no symptoms prior to the fix, but I gather all that tells me is that my stator didn't actually fail. There's actually a second part to that question; what is the likelihood that the "fix" will be adequate to protect stators in an ongoing manner? Will we (the Buell community) just find out empirically over time? KeS (Message edited by kevin_stevens on April 26, 2010) | ||
| Nillaice |
why come you write big words when it so early? | ||
| Reducati |
hes one of dem fancy book learnin types.... | ||
| Ccryder |
No and yes. Next question?? There are too many things that contribute to stator failures to be able to tell if your's has been damaged. | ||
| Jackgraves |
What year bikes need the stator and harness fix or is it a random thing that just happens to any of them | ||
| Ccryder |
IIRC it's 09' maybe 10'. | ||
| Freezerburn840 |
Harley/Buell needs to call it for what it is a RECALL. Instead of a system upgrade. What that does is lets say someone makes it passed the 2 year manufactures warranty. Then a stator failure happens well sorry you got to pay. If there is a Recall on file they have to fix it at no charge no matter when it fails. Point example auto industry I have a 2002 Ford Ranger. There still was an open Recall on the vehicle for a faulty electrical problem involved with the A/C that could catch the car on fire. I bought the car used and took it in for the open recall. Problem resolved by a new electrical harness no charge 8 years later way past manufactures warranty. Harley/Buell does not want to shell out anymore money than they have to hence the wording in the so called "system upgrade letter". Or I can just believe that they beyond a shadow of a doubt didnt believe an open recall was necessary and that the upgraded harness will resolve this issue. Which I think is a big gamble considering it is a serious safety issue. Hey they had to do put something out Stator's are failing at an alarming rate. | ||
| Froggy |
So HD should be on the hook 5 years from now when someone's stator fails due to unrelated reasons just because there was a recall to install a harness, and this harness was already installed? | ||
| Freezerburn840 |
No. They could have eliminated the whole issue by stating a recall. The way they are misleading people to think its an system upgrade is wrong. Its a gamble is all I am saying. Ford did not want to take that gamble thats just one example there are many others that won't take that gamble. Toyota took a gamble now look at them law suit after law suit and the government is involved now. Bottom line they better be right!! | ||
| Freezerburn840 |
By the way this is not a common failure that people may get out of the blue. These stators are failing and we hope that HD is right and this harness is the fix or if its just a band ade for a problem for the life of the bike. Froggy I am sorry if you refuse to see that. There is an error. This is the way Harley wants to handle it then fine. Its a gamble on their part for trying to be clever and misleading just state its a recall. This way I can believe whole heartedly that this fix is the actual FIX! | ||
| Fast1075 |
Ya eat chicken strips...yer tires get chicken stripes...  And as I understand it, the replacement stators that are on back order are reengineered to help prevent the problem...I once worked as an auto electrician and currently work with electric motors...one prime reason for failure is the magnetic hum in a stator will cause the wire to move around, this ruins the insulation resulting is a short and a burned up stator...i "heard" that the new stators have better epoxy in the dip to better stabilize the wire. (Message edited by fast1075 on April 26, 2010) | ||
| Tbenson |
Yes they should be "on the hook", it is a known issue. The recall would be for the harness, not the stator, unless a stator failure was linked to an uninstalled or improperly installed harness. If the harness upgrade is the fix, and it was properly installed, why would a stator failure fall under the recall, 5 years from now, again, if the harness is the right fix? If this is not the fix, then there should also be a stator recall issued, when a new redesigned stator is available to remedy the known problem. I had no charging issues prior to the harness upgrade, after the upgrade, I rode home from the dealer (about 50 miles), loaded it onto a trailer, unloaded at destination, road about 15 to 20 miles, then it died. It seems everything was installed properly, and all connections were plugged in. It has been at the dealer for a week, I have not heard from them yet, so I don't know what the actual problem is? | ||
| Freezerburn840 |
Yep what they are doing is this. System Upgrade is a wait and see if it is the fix. What they dont realize it just takes one casualty from this problem. Then they will be forced to call it an official recall and suffer the consequence of that decision. Last time I checked "Upgrade"=Improve. Recall= Fix. This is why I am irritated. Their accountability. HD would rather gamble and hope nobody gets in an accident then to call it a Recall yet. Redesign of a Stator is huge money. I think a stator is around $700 our cost. Hence "System Upgrade" first to hope the harness works to save money not lives. Redesign last resort because of the cost. We= Guinea pigs. | ||
| Ron_luning |
I thought that I was the only "idiot" that thought this along with the clutch weep should be a recall. My point in another thread was focused on the clutch weep, in that for those that have the problem outside of warranty they will likely be given the middle finger by H-D because it is not a recall. If BMC were still around, based on their reputation I would expect great customer support even beyond the warranty period. Unfortunately they are not and H-D as a company, not as individuals, clearly doesn't give a damn about Buell. Once you're out of warranty expect to pay $232 for the clutch weep parts, and anywhere from $680-$1700 for parts if your stator or electrical system as a whole sh!ts the bed. Maybe H-D will step up and repair parts due to the known design flaw in the clutch system or stators damaged from excess heat outside of warranty. Since as a corporation H-D does not want to appeal to the Buell customer base anymore, I wouldn't bet on it. | ||
| Chessm |
this is why i sprung for the extended warranty... only problem is...with the backorder issues... that doesnt get the bike out of the dealership any faster. oh well..another good reason that i still have my XB | ||
| Freezerburn840 |
Its funny how the kickstand spring is a Recall but the Stator and Harness and the Clutch weep are not. Hmm....  | ||
| Ccryder |
FB840, nothing funny about it at all. Just take a clear headed look at the spring and clutch jet recall and you should be able to see why those were safety related. If you can't we can have someone spell it out for you. Time2Ride Neil S. | ||
| Freezerburn840 |
Thanks CC. Got Ya!  | ||
| Old_mil |
Is clutch weep restricted to the 08s? Or is it an 09CR issue as well? | ||
| Tbenson |
Is clutch weep restricted to the 08s? No Or is it an 09CR issue as well?Yes |
