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Clk92vette
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 01:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just a few heads up for anyone who has yet to perform their first oil change:

1) If you do not have a sport chock to support your bike, you will need a catch pan large enough to put your kick stand in and catch the oil from both drains and the filter cover. Otherwise it will be all over the ground by the time your are done.

2) Apparently the four hour minimum cool down/drain back time for the cold oil level check is important?!?! I performed my cold check in accordance with the manual, except for a 2-1/2 hr wait period, and it was not even showing on the stick after adding 2-3/4 qts. I added another 1/2 qt. then performed the hot check after a 45 minute ride. This time the oil was slightly above the overfull mark. So I drained enough back out to get it within the operating range.

3) My magnetic plug captured enough paste, and a few shavings, to fill the plug well completely. This doesn't surprise me on the initial oil change, but I would expect a heck of a lot less on subsequent changes. I am curious to know what others have found?
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99buellx1
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 01:25 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Are you checking by the manual or this procedure?


quote:

Ride motorcycle for approximately 10 minutes. Ride at least 5 miles 8 kilometers to ensure the oil is hot and the engine is at normal operating temperature. Readings taken with colder oil could lead to an overfull engine condition.
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Hold motorcycle upright and vertical on firm level ground. An uneven surface will produce a false oil reading.
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Idle the motorcycle for three minutes. Shut off the motorcycle.
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Wait for three minutes after shutdown before reading the oil level, or false readings may result.
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Unscrew and remove dipstick from oil filler hole. Wipe dipstick clean.
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Insert dipstick into oil filler hole, screwing dipstick in completely.
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NOTE: Refer to Recommended Engine Oils. Use only recommended oil specified in Engine Lubrication: Buell 1125R Models.
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Unscrew and remove dipstick and note oil level. An indicated oil level between MIN and MAX (measured after performing steps 1 through 6) is acceptable for safe engine operation. Oil should be added in 3 to 7 fl. oz. (100 to 200 mL) increments, depending on how far the level is from the MAX reading. Confirm oil level by repeating steps 5 through 7.
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NOTE: If the oil level is at (or above) the OVERFULL mark, drain oil at 7 fl. oz. (200 mL) increments until the oil level is between the MIN and MAX marks on the dipstick. Repeat steps 1 though 7 to confirm proper level.
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Hand tighten dipstick into oil filler hole.




From here: Corrected oil level verification procedure for 2008 Buell 1125R
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Dmhines
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 01:27 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

From what I have read ... drain out all the oil ... add 3 QTS ... don't even check the stick.
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Freezerburn840
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 01:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For your number 2 point. I like to change my oil towards the end of the day. I put exactly 3 quarts in then I start it to check for any leaks. Then I turn it off. Come back early next morning before I start a ride. Do a cold check it has been perfect everytime. I lost to much sleep the first time worrying about the hot check. Saying to myself, "well it could be low"?

Point 3 its normal to have a lot shavings on the plug that is a good thing and what it was designed for. Each oil change there will be less and less. I have 7,500 miles on mine the last one I did at 6,500 no shavings at all. I have done 3 oil changes. Running synthetic since the first oil change. Modern engines are great right out the gate. I varied engine rpms with the factory oil. I really dont think there is an issue switching to synthetic right away either. The factory oil in the beginning is enough to seat everything properly.

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Hogzilla
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 01:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd also add, put LOTS of newspaper down around the area for wayward oil.
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Milt
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 02:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Heed Hogzilla's warning !

Oil will gush out of the left plug like as from a fire hose - shooting out further that you'd guess possible.
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Clk92vette
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 02:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I did follow the cold check instructions in my manual being unaware that they were superseded. This caused my erroneously low oil level reading. But since I was leary about having an overfilled condition I kept the revs reasonably low to prevent any blow by on my warm up run before I performed the hot check. I will check my air filter regardless just to be safe. Thx for the feedback.
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Kidder
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had my bike on a paddock stand when I change the oil. I drained the right side first to reduce the gusher on the left.
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Hogzilla
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 03:06 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes indeed, it will flow like a firehose. I also removed the right (brake side) first. Let it run till it stopped, THEN removed the left. That removed about a quart before the left side purge. (didn't notice Kidder posted the same thing)

If you are doing it without a lift stand the bike upright for a bit to get the last little dribbles out from the drains.

Also, removing the filter is quite messy. Make sure you have plenty of drain pan real estate under that as well.

(Message edited by hogzilla on April 21, 2010)
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Ratbuell
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 03:12 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So...is the 3qt fill correct on an '09 CR with filter change? I did the manual's 2.7qt (2 qt, 22oz IIRC) and level looked ok to me...
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Hogzilla
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 03:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

3 qts is what mine took after removing the filter and letting it fully drain.
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Freezerburn840
Posted on Wednesday, April 21, 2010 - 04:41 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

3 QTS. with filter change for mine.
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Johnnys999
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 12:27 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Do you install the new filter empty or fill it half way first? The filling is recommended in some circles.
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Froggy
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I've always done it empty on the 1125s. Wouldn't filling it cause it to spill out before you could put it in?
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Clk92vette
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 02:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I own an '88 Thunderbird Turbo Coupe and their is concern about starving the turbo after an oil change. The common recommendation is to fill the filter with oil prior to installing. I think most people would be surprised as to how much oil the filter paper absorbs before it becomes saturated. I thought about this when I was putting the new filter on my R. Of course, you can't fill an open filament oil filter with oil. But certainly it takes some time for a new filter to become saturated before it begins to flow oil back to the motor. My guess is that it probably doesn't make any difference due to the oil adhering to the cylinder walls and all the bearing surfaces more than long enough to make up the delay. But you could soak the filter in oil prior to installing.
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Zac4mac
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 07:40 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got one of these at the local Auto Zone.





First, I put Loretta on her rear stand.

Open the big cap on the side and stand the pan up so the left drain is pointing at it.
Pull the plug and as the stream slows, slowly lay the pan down.

Slide the pan under the right-side drain and dump.

I didn't spill a single drop last time.

Then I drain the oil into clean milk jugs and use it in my Jeep.

Zack

(Message edited by zac4mac on April 25, 2010)
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Jules
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 11:09 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Then I drain the oil into clean milk jugs and use it in my Jeep.

That's a great idea... I might well start doing the same thing with my Jag..
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Chadhargis
Posted on Sunday, April 25, 2010 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sadly, my Jeep is a turbo diesel and requires very special oil. I just put 10 liters of fresh old in my diesel yesterday. : )
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Dktechguy112
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 02:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"1) If you do not have a sport chock to support your bike, you will need a catch pan large enough to put your kick stand in and catch the oil from both drains and the filter cover. Otherwise it will be all over the ground by the time your are done. "



or you can have someone sit on the bike and hold it straight up, no stand needed, and you can lean the bike over easily to drain the last bit of oil out @ the end.

Also, make sure the container you choose can hold all of the oil, my first oil change i chose one that couldn't hold all of the oil, so about half a quart got on my garage floor.
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Motorhead102482
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 05:45 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't know if anybody else does this, but I put a tin foil chute underneath the drains to keep oil from dripping everywhere
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Ratbuell
Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I love my gravel driveway....drips and drops? No problem. And I had no problem at all with a 5qt automotive drain pan, triangle-shaped.

I also love my Deuce-and-a-half - it's my UMO (used motor oil) disposal station. It actually RUNS on UMO! The engine is a "multifuel direct-injected turbo diesel", but it runs on kero, UMO, diesel, unleaded...if it's liquid and burns, toss it in the tank. : )
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