| Author | Message | ||
     Eric1125r |
To be direct I have been trying to figure out how to change the slack of the throttle. I am not even sure if "slack" is the right way to put it. Basically I would like to have to twist the throttle more to get the same power that I currently get from barely twisting the throttle at all. It is especially fatiguing to ride anywhere in first or second gear. Don't get me wrong, I love the power and attack I get out of the throttle as is but it sure would be nice to have a smoother throttle. Any suggestions/advice? Thanks, ~Eric | ||
| Ron_luning |
They don't have Buell listed, but maybe a throttle tube for another brand will fit: http://www.g2ergo.com/ | ||
| Benzo_mike |
Anybody else bent about the bind of the two knurled locking rings on the push and pull cable adjusters? What a PITA! | ||
| Dms |
I have a G2 throttle tube on my Yamaha FJR and it's outstanding. I just pitched an email at the guys at G2 Ergonomics to see if any of their existing tubes will fit the 1125R, and will post something when/if I hear back from them. | ||
| R2s |
Yeah the 1125R has a lot of throttle spring. more than any I've owned. | ||
| Eric1125r |
Thanks guys, now I am pointed in the right direction. I think over time I can probably get used to the throttle response. I am definitely going to look into the G2 throttle tube. @DMS: Thanks for shooting G2 an email, I look forward to hearing what they told you. I took my bike out for a ride the other night for around an hour and a half just exploring. I am getting a feel for the throttle but I think a G2 throttle tube might make things more smooth. Man I love this bike though. Once I tuned the suspension a few weeks ago it rides like a dream. Turns out it was tuned for a guy half my size. | ||
| Ratsmc |
I honestly do not understand why all bikes over 500cc do not come with an increasing radius throttle pull. It just makes no sense. | ||
| Crazyhawk99 |
I have been thinking hard about the G2ergo for my 04 ZX10R. It is supposed to really help the on/off transition. Can anyone tell me how much of a pain it is to adjust the free-play in the 1125 throttle cable? Mine is excessive as set up at the factory. | ||
| Dms |
I got a very quick response back from Gary at G2: "To be honest, we have no idea about the Buell throttle. What we normally offer is if a customer will ship their throttle tube to us, we will fit up or even make a prototype." I'll be shipping a spare throttle tube to G2 soon and will post again when I know more. The only minor issue for me is that I've installed the Ulysses heated grips, so I'll have to figure out how much effort it'll take to remove the heated grip from the existing throttle tube. Adjusting the free play in the throttle cables is pretty simple; I just tightened mine up with the adjusting nuts at the throttle tube and have almost no play in the throttle, no need to mess with the other side of the cables under the airbox. (Message edited by dms on March 22, 2010) | ||
| Eric1125r |
@DMS: Thanks, I appreciate the follow up. ~Eric | ||
| Jake99buell |
De-noid if you haven't already. Made a big diff with mine | ||
| Dms |
I just got a message from Gary at G2 Ergo while stuck in a meeting. He says my Buell tube is nearly identical to an existing Yamaha tube, but is 2mm shorter. I'll be picking up one of his Yamaha tubes and will post again once I've installed it; I don't expect the extra 2mm to make a difference. Woo hoo! | ||
| Eric1125r |
DMS: Be sure to let us know which Yamaha tube so I can order one! | ||
| Dannybuell |
Ron_luning went looking at your post and found video page. http://g2ergo.com/video.html Ratsmc mentioned increasing radius throttle, is that like the G2 Throttle Cam System (TCS)? The Throttle Tamer and cam systems sure look like the right idea to your need. | ||
| Dms |
Alrighty, here's the deal: Gary is shipping me throttle tube part # 404F136, which should be on the G2 Ergo site as "any Triumph model". He says you can order one that way, just make sure you put a comment on the order indicating you're buying it for an 1125R. Once I have mine installed I'll post more comments. | ||
| Dannybuell |
Dms - THX | ||
| Eric1125r |
Update: I denoided this weekend but due to the crappy weather haven't had a chance to test it out. Note: I just left the Solenoid bracket installed (I really couldn't see any reason to remove it. I don't think it will vibrate or cause any issues)so the cover has a mount point. I can't wait to hear back from Dms about the G2. | ||
| Eric1125r |
A further note on the "denoid". It was super easy to do and I have read that some dealerships are doing them when owners complain. If I had to do this again I think I could do it in under 10 minutes. I'll report back my experience as I believe it relates to this post. ~Eric | ||
| Americanmadexb |
Just had my first Noid Surge today at 350 miles... coming out tomorrow. | ||
| Johnnys999 |
I'm sure the CR raised bar option will accept the same G2 part? Speaking of quick throttles, I just bought a Roby Moto quick throttle set up for my 999R. Precision made in Italy, beautiful parts and with 4 cams. | ||
| Jdugger |
> Yeah the 1125R has a lot of throttle spring. more than any I've owned. You can reduce the mechanical resistance of the 1125r throttle with a de-noid, as mentioned, but you MUST PULL THE ENTIRE actuator out of the system. Once you do, you will see why... the 'noid itself has a pretty good spring it in, and that's part of what you are pulling. | ||
| Jdugger |
> Basically I would like to have to twist the throttle more to get the same power that > I currently get from barely twisting the throttle at all. What you are looking for are called throttle cams. There's also 1/3, 1/4 and some 1/5th turn throttles, but probably not for the 1125r. Basically, these concentrate the throttle control over a smaller area. What you want is a LONGER throw throttle, or a progressive cam. > I honestly do not understand why all bikes over 500cc do not come with an increasing radius throttle pull. It just makes no sense. Depends on application. For a slow street rider, sure, a progressive throttle makes a lot of sense as it gives more control earlier in the range. But, for someone doing mostly track duty, a linear throttle is definitely the ticket. Can you imagine being at 25-50% throttle going through a corner and having to deal with the trickiest of roll on while managing the edge of traction? A progressive throttle would mean LESS control for the skilled rider in these situations, just as you are feeling there's less control at the low end. Personally, I don't use "cracked" throttle positions much, and don't need or want more control there at the cost of less control higher in the range, or having to use a longer throw throttle. I think Buell got the throttle right, personally. | ||
| Johnnys999 |
I'm just ordered the part, couldn't find the part number recommended. I just checked the Triumph box and checked Speed Triple box as model. I also submitted a message stating Gary was our contact there and the year and model of my bike being an 09 1125CR Buell. Told them also to correct the order as the see fit and advise. Back to the thread, wanted to report zero change in throttle performance when I de-noided the bike. I updated my CRG bar end mirror install, I screwed up the first install and had to buy a new throttle tube, then I read this and buy another throttle tube. Fortunately the Buell tube didn't cost much and since I just installed new Pro grips, the throttle side was an easy removal so I can use it again over the G2 throttle tube. BTW, if you ever buy a Buell stock throttle tube it comes with a grip on it. Here are a couple pix right after the install, at this time I removed the right side grip awaiting the G2 throttle in a few days. My previous set up worked but it was Mickey Mouse since I was unaware of bar end adapters. All is good now.  (Message edited by JohnnyS999 on April 05, 2010) | ||
| Eric1125r |
I am just back after a second test ride. When I reassembled I pinched the throttle linkage and caused the throttle to stick. Pretty scary when I shifted from 1st to 2nd and the throttle was open!! Bike almost rocketted out from underneath me! I went ahead and broke it down and fixed the issue and on test ride #2 the throttle was brilliant! It is so smooth now. I can't wait to hear back from Dms on his G2 project so I can order mine! | ||
| Dms |
The tube arrived yesterday, but work and other responsibilities have conspired against me. Hopefully I'll be able to try the new tube out by the weekend. I think Jdugger's point is dead-on about the stock throttle response; for racetrack duties it's great, but since my driveway doesn't lead straight onto the Willow Springs course I'm willing to give up a bit of track strength to improve daily drivability. In other news, on Sunday I bolted on a new Barker's slipon, an EBR ECM and a K&N filter. Those changes made my bike a completely different beast; instead of bucking around like a nervous mustang under 5000 RPM, she now pulls cleanly from 2500 RPM and the general throttle response has smoothed out considerably. Honestly, at this point I no longer feel like I need a throttle cam! I'll still be installing the tube since I spend so much time commuting, but I'm pretty sure the ECM fixed the problems that I had hoped to fix with the throttle tube. Now, the only problem I have to deal with is the thunderous helicopter-like roar coming out of my exhaust. I set off two car alarms while riding out of the company parking garage yesterday, and that's with the medium-sized quiet core. I'm going to be contacting Barker to see if they have an "I live in the suburbs" quiet core for wimps. Dave (Message edited by dms on April 06, 2010) | ||
| Eric1125r |
That is good to hear Dave! Let us know about any "gotchas" while installing the tube. ~Eric | ||
| Sknight |
I might have missed it so forgive me. An R1 throttle tube is the same exact size as the 1125R tube. That means you can go to a Hayabusa throttle tube and it should fit fine since the R1 tube drops right into the Busa. An R1 tube makes a Busa a 1/4 turn throttle so a Busa tube should increase the throw on an 1125. I tried the R1 tube and it dropped right into the Buell, meaning the Busa tube should also fit. | ||
| Johnnys999 |
I also got my G2 tube today and since I was out in the afternoon riding my 999R, I didn't install it until after dinner. Nicely machined and piece of cake install. Gary over at G2 was very helpful and straight forward on his products. Must have racing application since known race teams use them. So far so good, I'm on a mod roll. (Message edited by JohnnyS999 on April 11, 2010) | ||
| Dcmortalcoil |
999, So what is the exact model number of the throttle? (Message edited by dcmortalcoil on April 11, 2010) | ||
| Dms |
Well, after peeling back the grips on my Buell heated grips it turns out that the heated elements are integral to the throttle tube. Ugh. So, I'll be waiting a few more weeks until the weather is predictably warm here in Colorado before I install the G2 tube. I'm thinking that I'll swap out the tube for the summer, then decide if I want to replace the Buell heated grips with some aftermarket ones that are compatible with the G2 tube when the snow starts falling again. Gary at G2 was great to work with, I'd happily do business with them again. Next time I'll take a closer look at my grips before I order new parts. :-) |
