| Author | Message | ||
     Wera44 |
The 1125R needs one bad! Who makes one besides STM. I dont want to shell out $1200. or is the stock "slipper clutch" adjustable? | ||
| Froggy |
The stock one isn't a true slipper clutch, and it is not adjustable. EBracing.com doesn't have it listed on their website, but I believe they have a Suter slipper available if you email them. | ||
| Wera44 |
Cool thanks, thats why I put stock slipper in quotations  | ||
| Chessm |
it might not be a 'real' slipper clutch but its really spoiled me and it lets me get away with ham fisted/footed shifting and poor throttle blipping. now whenever i ride the GF's z1000, and i hastily let go of that clutch lever, i get reminded what its like to not have the slipper action clutch. chirp chirp | ||
| Jdugger |
Pay the money for the Suter. It's really something, indeed, and I've been amazed at mine. | ||
| Wera44 |
Just got an email from EBR they want $1350 for it so it may be awhile but I will get one. This weekend I ran over a second a lap faster riding a gear up everywhere. The bike didnt have the same grunt off the corners but it was faster overall because the bike wasnt being slowed down so much with excessive engine braking on corner entry. | ||
| Thefleshrocket |
Wera44, are you saying that the engine braking provided more stopping power than the actual brakes? I ask because if the throttle is closed on the racetrack, you ought to be braking, and if you're braking, the front brake ought to easily provide more stopping power than engine braking. I don't doubt that you were a second faster riding a gear higher, but I suspect it had more to do with you being able to ride more smoothly due to not shifting as much rather than less engine braking due to the higher gear. I don't have any personal experience with slipper clutches, but it sounds like you're interested in a slipper because you think it will slip rather than transfer engine braking torque to the rear wheel when decelerating. I'm pretty sure slipper clutches are only designed to slip when downshifting without rev matching exactly correctly. And I'm pretty sure that after the clutch is fully engaged and the engine, transmission and rear wheel are all spinning at the appropriate rate, there won't be any additional slippage if you just let off the throttle and don't do any shifting or clutching. Someone correct me if I'm wrong--this is my understanding of the theory of slipper clutches. | ||
| Jdugger |
Flesh, The Suter is adjustable to the point it will almost freewheel, but that doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. The main purpose of a slipper is to help ease/smooth downshifts into corners and keep the rear wheel in place. I still feather my clutch manually, even with the slipper, but it does make a difference. Going around "a gear high" on a Twin isn't necessarily a bad thing for a non-racer. Twins grunt pretty well, and not having to pick up the extra shifts makes getting through the corner less complicated. | ||
| Smoke |
the suter clutch is the bomb! i was downshifting and clutch feathering last year along with modifying shift points. downshifting on exits instead of entrances helped also. i swapped to Gp shift and the suter and picked up a solid 2 seconds a lap at Daytona with a best that was 3 1/2 seconds better than last october. the chain drive gearing may also have helped as i was not on the rev limiter this time. best luck, tim | ||
| Budgolf |
Damn guys. Every time i come in here I find out about something else thats expensive that I must have!  | ||
| Wera44 |
Im saying that back torque is too much on corner entry in for my riding style. I could feather the clutch as I enter to help but Im not going to change my riding style. For me its easier to change the bike to my liking. True if your not on the gas your on the brakes but the engine braking IMHO is to much. I dont want to enter every tight corner with the back end stepped out but thats what it was doing. I have 1000's of laps around Talladega and the first session I road the bike a gear up I went faster....period. | ||
| Buell101 |
Smoke/Jdugger are you using the stock clutch MC with the Suter? | ||
| Jdugger |
> Jdugger are you using the stock clutch MC with the Suter? OEM MC and clutch pack. The Suter's design is such it only replaces your clutch basket -- you use OEM clutch parts otherwise. The lever action is particularly stiff, though. I'd not want this clutch for stop-and-go because it's even firmer than the OEM springs. At least, the way I have it set up. The action on the track is smooth, though. I really like it. | ||
| Smoke |
original m/c and clutch pack on mine also. don't notice any additional stiffness. tim | ||
| Buell101 |
I'm upgrading my clutch mc to match the brake and will be getting the slipper sometime.... so a 16x18 is good no need for a 19x18??? | ||
| Drawkward |
Just had some issues with my rear wheel sliding around because I thought the HVA slipper would/should take care of that....and it didn't. So I did this: http://www.sportrider.com/riding_tips/146_1003_smo oth_downshifting_riding_skills/index.html Should have been doing it to begin with. Never had a problem after that and ran faster. I don't know how the Suter slipper would help me any more than the HVA slipper does. |
