| Author | Message | ||
     Ccryder |
Err, ahh who is recalling 8,500,000+ units, oops wrong thread. Oh yeah, I ride my 1125rt around 5,000-5,500 during my daily commute, just to make me and the 1125 happy and I get 40mpg. Jim: What's your point, ya lost me (sometimes it's not too difficult). Time2Work Neil S. | ||
| Jules |
Actually I'll ride MY bike anyway I choose to ride my bike and it's not unreasonable to expect it to be able to work like every other bike. Options: Post as " Yes I know it's a Buell, and yes I know it's special but my last bike was a 1998 TL1000S with a very similar power output and that ran fine at all revs, charged perfectly adequately, did 45MPG in "touring mode" and was 100% reliable. Don't misunderstand me - I love my Buell, it's fantastic - still the flawed gem I thought it would be but nobody has the right to dictate how I ride my bike (Law Enforcement Agencies notwithstanding) If I wanna potter around at 4K on my Buell I damn well will... | ||
| Mac_inger |
> If I kept it over 6k all the time my wallet would suffer. Why do people buy liter-twins and then worry about the costs of operation? Gas, tires and service on these machines isn't cheap! < Because theres people that commute daily on these bikes. To me that is what riding a bike means. Not going to the track once every 5 months. I personally couldn't care less about keeping RPMs below a certain range because of gas savings, but so far (and i'm still in the breaking in stage on my CR), in city riding, bike seems to want me to shift at about 6k. Thats just judging by ear. | ||
| Diablo1 |
Why do the stators run cooler at higher rpm (above 5000)? Isn't it a three phase permanent magnet alternator? Doesn't stator current and heat produced by the current just increase with rpm? Seems to me that the stators should run coolest at low rpm. If anonymous would like to straighten me out, that's OK. | ||
| Fresnobuell |
Because theres people that commute daily on these bikes. Well you bought the wrong bike for your commute. If you were looking for 45+ MPG and 146HP, as the proverbially saying goes "you can't have your cake and eat it too." Sorry, I just don't get guys bitching about low MPG with the 1125 motor. Do you think Viper or Ferrari owners complain about getting atrocious gas mileage? I do believe the Ducati 1198 is in the same ballpark on MPG. Lucky we have a big tank as there were reports about Duc riders seeing the fuel light turn on UNDER 100 miles on the tank. | ||
| Jdugger |
The stator runs hotter at lower RPMs because there is more current draw per revolution. And, Jules no one ever said you couldn't do whatever you please, only why the bike doesn't run as well as it could given your choices. | ||
| Jules |
No, I think you should keep the RPMs above 5k because it's the way the vehicle is intended to be operated. You might not have meant it to sound that way, but it can be interpreted to say that.. I apologise if that wasn't the intent. I guess we're into the "two schools of thought" area again - those that believe you have to accept (perceived or actual) product defficiencies because this is such a high performance bike. And those that think if it's sold as a road bike it should work on the road, in the real world.. I lean towards the second line of thought.. I expect the bike to work as my commuter (but I don't care about the MPG), I'm prepared to compromise a bit but the bike has to be fit for the purpose sold (a road bike).. I can accept "poor" mileage as the price you for all of the available performance but the poor running and other issues below 4/5k can't be excused in the same way. My old Jap bikes with similar power/performance and configuration ran lots better. Again - I am not dissing Buell, I still think it's an awesome product but I am a bit tired of people saying that you can't have a 146HP V-Twin that runs well at low revs... You can, I've had a couple of them so i know you can. I wouldn't swap my buell for any of them though, it has so much charecter I can overlook the shortcomings. | ||
| Jdugger |
> I guess we're into the "two schools of thought" area again - those that believe you have to accept (perceived or actual) product defficiencies because this is such a high performance bike. That's just it -- there are no deficiencies when you look it it with my perception. I'd never trip the noid, I'll never have the stator issue, and I've never had the surging problem. All are symptoms of low-rpm operation I simply *never* experience. I think you are spot-on when you talk about the "character". This bike has a lot of unique attributes, and the fact that it just runs better kept above 5k is one of the crazy, weird things some of us love about it. I know there's no real correlation, but have you ever wondered why the tach needle points straight forward at 6k?  | ||
| Fresnobuell |
I can accept "poor" mileage as the price you for all of the available performance but the poor running and other issues below 4/5k can't be excused in the same way. Something is wrong if you bike does run like a champ down to 3K RPMs. The flashes have been getting better and better. My new 09 R runs so friggin good, I am considering leaving it comepletely stock motor and exhaust-wise (other than a K&N and getting the 'noid out.) | ||
| Froggy |
Both my 1125's run great down to about 3000rpm, my 08 seems to go down to about 2500 before starting to complain. In a normal day of riding I will never see over 5000rpm. Never had any issues, and am enjoying the decent fuel economy (on my CR at least) | ||
| Syonyk |
I'm with Jules on the "If it's sold as a street bike, it should be able to function as a street bike." The 1125s are sold as street bikes. If an 1125RR had charging issues when ridden on the street, I'd be inclined to excuse it. If an 1125R or CR has charging issues when being ridden where they're going to, as a group of bikes, probably spend 99% of their lives, that's a problem. I'd also point out that it's 2008. Motorcycle charging systems have been around for... oh, over 50 years? You'd think the bugs could be worked out of charging a motorcycle. Keeping the RPMs over 5k while riding town is challenging and shouldn't be needed. What should we be doing, sitting at the stoplight with the revs up to keep the stator happy? | ||
| Syonyk |
Jdugger: Do you commute on yours while keeping the RPMs in the stratosphere, or is it just a weekend bike? I've found they're not terribly happy at high RPM nearly closed throttle either - I've got a noticeable stumble/surge at 4k-5k RPM if I'm at low speed while doing that (and yes, I've made sure my TPS is calibrated). | ||
| Jules |
Fresno - No sorry - you're right, as it happens mine is significantly better since the latest flash was applied when I was having the cold starting issues.. I can happily drop down to about 3K and it'll pull cleanly from there.. It's not at all happy "cruising" at 3k, so I tend just to ride everywhere one gear down (or is it up - I always get that wrong) to keep the revs higher... I realised I'd fallen into the trap of linking two related but different observations together.. One about keeping the revs low for economy and one about keeping them high for charging and smooth running.. Ideally i'd like a bit of both, but then again i always was a greedy sod. (Message edited by Jules on February 18, 2010) | ||
| Jdugger |
Define street. Stuck in traffic or riding public roads in the mountains? If the 1125r is designed to be ridden around a big city, stuck in traffic all the time, they did a remarkably poor job of delivering a bit to do that well, IMHO. Sport bikes make lousy commuters. They have no place to put stuff, the wrong ergonomics, tires, gearing, and just about everything else for regular commute/city duty. Just one man's opinion, but the 1125r is a *terrible* in town bike. | ||
| Eece_ret |
Anyone know the block of VIN's this applies to??? Would like a second opinion after talking with dealer (bike already in shop might as well have them look at this to save yet another trip...) Its a 2009 1125CR the last 5 of my vin are 00095 | ||
| Jdugger |
> Jdugger: Do you commute on yours while keeping the RPMs in the stratosphere, or is it just a weekend bike? I don't commute on mine as a general rule. It's not a good commuting choice, IMHO. I do occasional do some slab -- 20-30 miles here and there at the end of a ride getting home, etc. When on the highway, I will keep the revs in the 5500+ range, usually around 6k. When on a back mountain highway, I'll "center" the RPMs in the 6-6.5k range, stay in 1-2 gears, and go at it. My goal on the street is always "maintain a constant speed, regardless of what the road does", so I'll look to have a very responsive throttle so I can make modest adjustments easily. The bike is most responsive when ridden in a spirited fashion around 6-7k. The other thing about keeping the revs up is you are using more of the throttle. I hate being in "just cracked" throttle situations because the bike it touchy. The smallest adjustments are in fact very large ones relatively. If you are at 25-50% throttle, or at least 10-15%, the same tiny adjustment is relatively not as big a deal. It's not unlike having a bike with lower total power. The throttle is easier to manage, and harder to make an unexpected mistake with. (Message edited by jdugger on February 18, 2010) | ||
| Eece_ret |
Thank you for posting this notice. Mine is in the shop with unrelated "joy", however this did apply to my bike, shop has ordered the component this will hopefully save me issues down the road (and ANOTHER trip to the dealer) Thanks again! | ||
| Tibman260 |
Diablo, the stator runs cooler since there is more oil flowing to the stator and being splashed around at the higher RPM. You are correct that less current is being delivered at the lower RPM but the problem lies in not enough cool oil being circulated. When the stator leg is dropped though, there is a substantial drop in heat being generated since the one leg is no longer generating power which translates to heat. | ||
| 07xb12ss |
I commute on both my R and CR - I keep both of them between 4k and 6k on the street, city and highway - no problems out of either of them - MPGs aren't to bad, low to high 30s depending on what kind of riding I'm doing I look at it this way - I have to vehicles that get 30+ MPG and they are capable of 10-11 second quarter mile times, and ripping up a track.... .... And they're rare I'm all smiles here! | ||
| Eweaver |
I commute daily in Los Angeles on my 2009 1125R. I have zero complaints. It hasn't seen a battery tender in a year. Power delivery is as smooth as butter. My 2008 was a different story. | ||
| Gbackus |
eweaver: where in los angeles? maybe I've seen you around? I've seen 2 or 3 different 1125s during my commute on the 105/405 | ||
| Dannybuell |
I am spoiled with my 96s1. Low end torque is a street tune in my mind. I want to have a torque monster from 2200 rpm up to 8000 rpm, after that who cares? dannybuell | ||
| Froggy |
Your S1 also has a bigger motor with a long stroke, both of which provide great low end grunt. But we both know what happens if you take your S1 up to 8 grand  | ||
| Sleeper_777 |
Good Information; I'll check with my dealer concerning notice 0507 then. I have consistently noticed on code level xxx152 of '09 CR that the engine/fuel light stays on until it warms up. Anyone have knowledge if it is related to this or another present issue? | ||
| Froggy |
The LFL/CEL issue is a problem with the software in the cluster (9 out of 10 times). Replacing the cluster should take care of that. | ||
| Naiguy |
I like to say this buelliten came from my bike and three stator failures in one year............... I would ride daily at 5000 rpm or lower for twenty to thirty minutes straight at times. Tech said stators were fried to all hell. I'm sure buell requsted to see them after the second failure i was contacted by buell! after the third I called them! the shop and buell cs did there jobs Now I have updated parts and run the bike above 5000 grand and all the herky jerky is gone and bike loves it. thanks buell customer service! | ||
| Captain_america |
In my mind if your riding your bike at or over 6k on the street your asking to get pulled over... I shift at 3, 4, or 5k depending on how fast I accel. if i am going to go to 6k then I'm going to redline, which seem more frequent than not recently LOL I usually ride right at 5k (78-80mph) on the freeway commuting to and from Los Angeles everyday (65miles) Any more rpm than needed is a waste to me (well, when i am commuting). its extra wear and tear on moving parts and eats consumables. | ||
| 07xb12ss |
Captain: maybe I have the wrong guy but didn't you bust your muffler coming off of a sidewalk doing 80 MPH?! haha | ||
| Captain_america |
Ummmmm. Shhh LOL yup that was me  ya its contradictory. I take very good care of things, especially the motor. I HATE THE STOCK MUFFLER, that's why I didn't car about it. | ||
| Dc29 |
I keep my 08r above 3500 on the low side. Take it to 8000 when in a spirited mood. Mine has started well since new hot or cold. Totally stock with noid still on.Would not change a thing that way maybe won't have any problems. Ride it for what it is (sport bike). Have fun. If i had to ride above 5000rpm all the time I would be in a squad car a lot. |
