| Author | Message | ||
     Jdugger |
I'm taking to balancing my wheels independently of mounted tires. I'm finding balancing the wheel assembly by itself sans tire make the whole tire balancing operation a lot easier. Anyone have any opinion of putting the wheel balance weights inside the flange on the pulley? It seems like the perfect place -- out of the way, etc. Any dangers? | ||
| Ccryder |
It may require more weight that way. | ||
| Illbuell |
Gravity doesn't lie.. Just don't counter balance your own weights. | ||
| Kidder |
I don't think this is a good idea due to the addition of the tire and the heavy spot that is always evident on a tire (and marked accordingly). | ||
| Vtwinbuell |
Wouldn't it work better to just mark the heavy spot on the rim and line up the light spot on the tire to it. I think the dot on the tire is the light spot, correct me if I am wrong. This would allow for the least amount of weight to balance a wheel and would also keep it closest to being balanced if the weights were to fly off. As for the weights near the axle, more weight would be required to see the same effect, think leverage. | ||
| Jdugger |
My experience is the spots on the tire don't help as much as balancing the wheel, YMMV. | ||
| Vtwinbuell |
I don't think I quite understand what you are saying. Are you talking about balancing the rim then mounting the tire and not balancing with the tire? Or balancing the rim then mounting and balancing with the tire. I was talking about using the light spot on the tire to help balance the heavy spot on the rim, then balancing them together. The way I look at it is if the rim is 1/2 oz off and the tire is 1/4 oz off you will need somewhere between 1/4 and 3/4 oz to balance them. Balance them independently and you will need the full 3/4 oz. Line up the heavy spot on the rim with the light spot on the tire and you will only need 1/4 oz to balance. | ||
| Jdugger |
Yes, I'm talking about getting the wheel balanced independently of balancing the tire and wheel together. Your idea is an interesting one, for sure. Isn't the spot the *light* part of the tire? When I balanced my wheel independently of the tire, the valve stem wasn't the heavy part of the wheel at all... | ||
| Fresnobuell |
When I balanced my wheel independently of the tire, the valve stem wasn't the heavy part of the wheel at all... I have found the same to be true...not sure if it's coincidence but my Buell wheels seem to be heavy at the spoke next to the valve stem. | ||
| Avc8130 |
I thought Buell wheels were marked from the factory with their heavy spot? I think I read that in the service manual. ac | ||
| Vtwinbuell |
Everything that I have read says the dot is the light part of the tire, I can't say I ever verified it or asked a manufacturer though. I would think every wheel would have a different heavy spot unless they decide where to put the valve steam hole by balancing the wheel to keep it somewhat consistent. | ||
| Ccryder |
You are really in trouble now since Michelin no longer puts a balance mark on their tires, at least the PR2s. IIRC some other brands have followed that lead. From what I can tell the manufacturing process has changed and ply/ belt overlap has all but been eliminated in their newer designs. Later Neil S. | ||
| Avc8130 |
Neil, I remember reading that Michelin's manufacturing process is such that no balancing is necessary (if the wheel is balanced) therefore they do not mark their tires any more. ac | ||
| Lastonetherebuys |
so therefore if u balanced the rim you would never have to ever balance the wheel after installing a new tire with michelin cool | ||
| Buellfreak |
iv worked with balancing for 3 years.. if your wheel dosnt zero out/ with a .25 ounce or 7 grams round off then your wheel is most deff messed up. there should never be a heavy spot in any wheel. other than where the valve is. for say the mich tires and most others there should be a colored dot on the tire.. match that up with the valve and balance the assembaly and you should have a very good balance. note also: if your having somone else balance your tires make sure there round off settings are less then .25 ounces or 7 grams. if not it well show zero on the screen of the balancer but the balance well still be off by how much ever there round off settings are. | ||
| Avc8130 |
What is this machine you speak of? I use GRAVITY. Comes free with every existence on earth. Buell states in the factory service manual that the wheel has a heavy spot. It is MARKED on the wheel. It is generally NOT the valve stem. Michelin does NOT mark the light spot of their tires. ac | ||
| Buellfreak |
hmm. iv always used coats balancers. iv never looked into the manual. i did notice just now that they dont, which sucks. i use "match balancing", if i ever run into a wheel that dosnt zero out. If you balance the wheel using just gravity with not tire on it, start out with letting the wheel turn on its own. mark where the heavy spot is. and start out putting .25 oz of weight opposit of the heavy spot untill it dosnt turn anymore. than mount your tire.. balance the assembaly and mark the heavy spot on the tire. take the tire off and match it with the weight you put on the wheel in the begging then mount angain then balance taking all weigh off first. then you should have a 100% perfect balance  iv never ran into a wheel with a bad enough heavy spot on it to ever do this much. but it works wonders.. and you wont have any vib at any speed. | ||
| Vtwinbuell |
balance mount balance dismount align mount balance  sounds like a lot of work | ||
| Buellfreak |
yea its is lol.. not really worth the time. | ||
| Skntpig |
What's the little white mark on the edge of the wheel? Is that the heavy or light spot of the wheel? | ||
| Buellfreak |
most likely the heavy spot | ||
| Rageonthedl |
here is what i used to do on my XB tires. line up dot on tire to Vstem, spin tire on balancer, then mark on the tire with a marker where you need to add weight, break bead, then spin the tire on the rim and put the mark you put on the tire to the Vstem and rebalance. i have had good luck doing this. my have to do it a few times to get it close. |
