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Xb12s_streetdemon
Posted on Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 08:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i got bored this afternoon and decided to start making my own Axle sliders for the CR


raw material



a work in progress















more to come once i finish the other three.
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Rex
Posted on Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 08:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

You do know that the CR swingarm is different that the R swingarm, and the units need to be different in size? REX

The R pucks do not fit the CR swing arm....
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Xb12s_streetdemon
Posted on Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 08:44 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

yup, thats why there cusdum
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Avc8130
Posted on Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 08:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Looks like Delrin?

Are you planning on using that for a stand? If so, I will warn you that plastic creeps (it is a technical term) and will fail over time without warning.

Rex,
What do you mean the swingarms are different? I realize they are slightly different in length from pivot to axle, but I was unaware of any other dimensional differences that would relate to THIS project.
ac
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Xb12s_streetdemon
Posted on Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 09:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

they are made from a pretty hard plastic and i plan on threading the rod almost all the way through for strength
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1324
Posted on Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 09:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I'm seeing this correctly, they will sit into the axle recess. If so, the swingarm differences won't affect anything. The swingarm lengths varied, not the axle.

The plastic will creep over time in compression, but certain polymers are more stable than others. If it creeps to the point that you lose your clamp force, the plastic won't fail...but the threaded rod will. YMMV.
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Avc8130
Posted on Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 09:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creep_%28deformation% 29
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Illbuell
Posted on Thursday, January 28, 2010 - 10:04 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Nice good work..
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03firebolt9r
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 07:21 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The OEM bobbins are plastic on the 1125's as well. Did anyone tell the Buell engineers that they will creep (thats a technical term)?

On a positive note...they look good XB12S. Its good to see people making there own sliders, I cant see spending $60+ on something that is designed to be destroyed.
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Avc8130
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 08:05 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No one had to tell Buell engineers. They were smart enough to figure it out all by themselves. The plastic bobbins have aluminum inserts that take the compression load from the fasteners.
ac
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Xb12s_streetdemon
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 08:34 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i just found a place locally that sells the delrin plastic stock, but they have a minimum order of 10'. any body need some axle sliders? ive got plenty of material.
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Illbuell
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

check your PM's
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Rex
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 11:50 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the area that the sliders fit in is different. They are smaller on the CR vrs. the R. I bought axle sliders for the rear. they would not fit into the slot on the Cr. The slot is smaller.....REX
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Avc8130
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 12:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Rex,
What axle sliders did you buy? I thought the axle part numbers were the same between the R and CR.
ac
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03firebolt9r
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 12:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

PM sent.
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 01:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yes the axle area is slightly different, I also had an issue with an axle slider fitting an R with no problem, and the CR it was stubborn and needed some extra umph to install. The difference is minimal, I honestly thought I had just a little extra powder coat on my CR swingarm.
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Avc8130
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 01:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hmm, was the manufacturer of the swingarm slider aware?
ac
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Captain_america
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 01:22 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

McMaster-Carr Has delrin of all sorts. You could make them clear if you wanted and put some fancy LED inside. Not saying i would but just throwing ideas out there... haha
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Froggy
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 02:35 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Avc8130, I was the first one to report this issue, I at first chalked it up to a Friday swingarm, then another person reported it too. I recall he was going to revise the slider slightly to prevent it.
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Avc8130
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 03:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Froggy,
Does he use straight plastic for his spool sliders, or do they have aluminum inserts?
ac
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Xb12s_streetdemon
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 04:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

captain, for right now im just making black ones. alot of these places have a minimum order so it makes it hard to get a bunch of colors.
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Captain_america
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 04:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

XB... McMaster doesn't have a minimum order. Its sold by the foot. A 5' piece is $10
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Xb12s_streetdemon
Posted on Friday, January 29, 2010 - 09:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ill have to check it out
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Xb12s_streetdemon
Posted on Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 01:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ok, so here they are. boy is that a pain in the butt. it took me about an hour each to do the fronts, and about 2-3 hours each to do the backs. and then another hour making them match. LOL










the cat wanted to help

















this is how far the rod goes in. haha





i will have more pics of them installed on the bike soon. i hope you like cause it took me long enough.
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Xb12s_streetdemon
Posted on Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 04:30 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

here they are on my xb.



























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Illbuell
Posted on Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 05:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I want front and rear. When can I have some?
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Rex
Posted on Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 05:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would suppose these add to upsprung weight? REX

I have them on the front of my CR, waiting for those that fit for the back....
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Xb12s_streetdemon
Posted on Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 07:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i may be able to get 2 sets per week done. its very time consuming cause i can only take off so much material at a time. i also need an exact measurement of the width of the 1125 cr/r rear axle as i only have my xb at home. i know the front is the same.
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Bobbuell1961
Posted on Saturday, January 30, 2010 - 08:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

well done!
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Illbuell
Posted on Sunday, January 31, 2010 - 01:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I want some really... How much?
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