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Ohsoslow
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 05:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

sport rider finally put the comparo up on their site for those of us that don't get the magazine


http://www.sportrider.com/bikes/146_0912_buell_112 5cr_ducati_streetfighter_comparison_test/index.htm l
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Wbrisett
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 05:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Sad isn't it. Buell finally starts getting accolades for it's products in the mainstream press and by respectable reviewers and suddenly the plug is pulled.

Wayne
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Vicfirebolt
Posted on Wednesday, December 02, 2009 - 08:30 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

The plug is not pulled forever not too mention it's already given birth too EBR
Erik Buell racing. Awesome article I seriously wondered how those two bikes would pair up. I want that chin fairing the street-fighter has on my 1125r badly. Thanks for the link that was fun too read.
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Moosestang
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 06:58 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Did anyone else read their suspension setting suggestions? 4 turns from full stiff for the rear shock rebound? I only have 3.5 turns of adjustment.

What do they mean by 14mm showing for the front preload? Where are they measuring that?
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Xtreme6669
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 08:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

they mean 14mm of fork height above the triple clamp... they don't actually have a preload setting on that article. If you look in there tech/susp guide on there site you will find 1125 recommended settings that are a bit different than the ones listed in that article.
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Xtreme6669
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 08:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'm assuming they want the rear rebound fully open because both the article linked and the susp. guide on the site have it at 4 out from full hard?
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Johnnys999
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I referred to the article in another post and passed on the specs to those who wanted it. The 14mm setting was confusing to me at first, because my digital caliper wasn't nimble enough to measure the height of the forks from the calipers. I looked at it another way. The Ducati's spring preload adjuster is measured at 2mm every turn. They use both Showa and Ohlins. So if you turn it 7 times you get 14mm. Throw in the mix the suggested factory setting of 7 turns from soft if your between 170-230lbs, that reinforces my 7 x 2mm = 14mm. I picked up a better metric ruler and confirmed the height to be 14mm after the above adjustment. The fork preload adjustment is the only one you achieved the suggested setting by turning from soft to hard, all the others are from hard to soft.

The 4 out from full hard/stiff for rebound fork damping was also perplexing or WTF? This setting contradicted all of the settings in the manual. The most the manual wanted you to turn out from maximum was 1 1/4, that was for someone under 170 lbs. The least was a 1/2 turn out if you weighed between 270 to max GVWR. I currently have mind set according to Sport Rider and before my next trial ride I'm going to decrease the turns to 1, as the manual suggests. All I can do is evaluate the difference and see how it goes at that setting. To be honest, before I went out on a test ride today, I turned the fork rebound 1/2 turn in because I was experiencing some "wallowing" in the turns at speed. Especially if the bike went over a bump while in the turn. After that small adjustment the bike performed much better, I was surprised how much better.

One thing I found interesting in regards to the 1125CR/Streetfighter comparison. Both bikes had Showa rear shocks yet the 1125CR maxed out at 3.5-4 turns out and thats where Sport Rider mag suggested for rebound damping. Whereas they suggested 8 turns out from full stiff for the Streetfighter. The Showa fork on the Streetfighter has more adjustability? Is it a better Showa? Thats one of the reasons why I like Ohlins, more adjustability, but this wasn't an Ohlins, right?

Anybody have an answer to this?
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Xtreme6669
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

the base street fighter has showa and the upgrade model has ohlins... plus a bunch of sweet carbon!
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Joseschopshop
Posted on Thursday, December 03, 2009 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Pretty good read.I have to disagree on looks,as I think the CR is a looker.There are a lot of neat looking aspects of the bike.
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Swamp2
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 02:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Although I never really thought the CR was ugly, I could see why it's appearance is controversial. But as time as gone on, I've really come to like it - distinctive, aggreessive (particularly in black), edgey. I think it looks A LOT batter than the Streetfighter, although I will admit to a bias as an owner...
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Gbackus
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 02:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How the hell is the 1125s gearbox "clunky"(according to the article)?

Grand the only ducati i've ridden was a 96 monster, but the gearbox on the 1125 is at least as good if not better than many of the japanese bikes i've ridden, including frequent use of a 2007 R6.
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Carbonbigfoot
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 02:38 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine got smoother with use. It was a little notchy at first, but NOTHING like the XB.

R
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Orman1649
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 03:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

How the hell is the 1125s gearbox "clunky"(according to the article)?

They are probably talking about the "slack" in the drivetrain you can feel when letting off or rolling onto the throttle. Some people say their bikes have none others say its noticeable and annoying.
Personally, compared to my S1W, I think the 1125 transmision SHIFTS smoother, but I don't notice the "slack" or "clunk" on the S1W like I do on the 1125.}
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Xtreme6669
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 04:56 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I love the look of my CR but I think the DUC looks meaner/better.. If I had unlimited funds I'd have one of each! For the money I think the CR is by far a better value! I think the bike dose shift clunky, It's not too bad thou, I also have the slack in the drive line somewhere....
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Milleniumx1
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 05:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I would never use the word clunky to describe my '09R trans/shifting. Sure I came off yeras of various H-D big twins, but this one shifts smoother than I would have ever imagined a bike could. Feels like firm butter to me!

Mike
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Jjk
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 05:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

For those of you complaining of clunking, I just wonder if you have adjusted the foot pedal for both your foot size and for proper angle so that you are using the natural range of motion for your foot? My CR and another I rode have shifted beautifully, as good or better than most bikes I've ever ridden (including most every Japanese sportbike made in the last 15 years). But if a shift pedal is adjusted incorrectly, the transmission will sometimes feel very clunky and/or imprecise.
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Mikezx9r
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 05:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I think my 1125r shifts pretty smooth. I like it a lot. Im not thrilled about the clutch lever effort though. My cable operated zx9r clutch requires less effort (causing less fatigue) to pull the lever in.
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Xtreme6669
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 05:57 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Yea, I dont like how far out the engagement is either....

I have read great reviews for members using asv levers to bring the clutch sweet spot in some but that won't help the firmness other than making it in a spot where your hand has more strength.
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Pablo959
Posted on Friday, December 04, 2009 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I liked the article. I don't agree with the looks comments though, my black CR gets more attention and compliments than any bike I have owned...and that LOTS of bikes.
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Drhodes1970
Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 08:07 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Light and precise shifting here! Could'nt ask for more.
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Brumbear
Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 09:24 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess they had to complain about something but the gearbox come on that thing is pretty darn smooth.
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Moosestang
Posted on Saturday, December 05, 2009 - 10:23 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Mine feels clunky to me, but better than my xb. Maybe bleeding my clutch would help.
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Steve_mackay
Posted on Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 12:14 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Bleed your clutch, and adjust the lever. It'll feel ALOT better. I had problems with mine as well. I switched to the high bar kit, and bled the clutch, and it made a WORLD of difference!
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Johnnys999
Posted on Sunday, December 06, 2009 - 11:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

clunky could be confused with the distinct "bang" when your at a stop in neutral and then shift to first when the light turns green. Any shifting clunkyness got better in time, but my Multistrada was actually more clunky than the CR.
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Xtreme6669
Posted on Monday, December 07, 2009 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess if your being creative it could be considered very positive engagement and not clunky.

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Moosestang
Posted on Monday, December 07, 2009 - 06:13 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I bled my clutch and it seemed less clunky shifting into 2nd. I'm going to get a vacuum bleeder and really bleed the sucker. I got a few air bubbles out.
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Xtreme6669
Posted on Monday, December 07, 2009 - 07:34 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I guess I too will try bleeding mine. Hope mine gets "buttery smooth" like everyone else!
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