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Easyrider
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 01:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Next week, We send ccryder, our own developed Torque hammer exhaust and our fully programmed ECM for test miles on the road. This topic is therefore to keep all the data together about his experiences and comments and happy time ..

Here is where it all started: http://www.twinmotorcycles.nl/artikelen.asp?aid=56
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Littlebutquick
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 08:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

hope he likes going fast
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Cafefun
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 08:37 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So how much would the exhaust and ecm flash cost in us money?
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P_squared
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

TH exhaust from GSD: http://grandstanddesigns.com/shop/index.php?l=prod uct_detail&p=45

ECM tune for TH:
http://grandstanddesigns.com/shop/index.php?l=prod uct_detail&p=56

Total = $929+$249+S&H

GrandStand Designs is the US distributor for this product from Twin Motorcycles.

Search is your friend.
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Cafefun
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:49 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone have pictures of it in stainless? The black just looks like a cheap muffler to me. Thanks for the links worked alot better then the search function does
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Barker
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 10:03 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Guess who is coming over to see and hear this pipe first hand!
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D_adams
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 10:16 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So how is this tuning being accomplished?
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T_man
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What just happened to your last post D_Adams? I was curious for someone to answer that question.
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Justa4banger
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 10:23 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

929.00 for exhaust.... wow Proud aren't you...
Had you said 500.00 for the exhaust and 600.00 for the tune... i could buy off on that... tuning takes time, exhaust...ehhh

It sure is pretty though..
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Garrett2
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

im with you cafefun.

and this is a slip-on, right? not the entire exhaust system?
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D_adams
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 10:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I don't want to get banned for questioning the legality of software and it's uses. I deleted it.
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Hellgate
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"929.00 for exhaust.... wow Proud aren't you...
Had you said 500.00 for the exhaust and 600.00 for the tune... i could buy off on that... tuning takes time, exhaust...ehhh

It sure is pretty though.."

Been here one day and getting on a person who has perhaps more hours on the dyno than the factory.
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Cafefun
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

By looking at there site it makes some nice improvements but I just don't know about 929.00 for it. If I could get one used someday for around 600.00 I would do it. if the stainless looks better.
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Justa4banger
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 11:06 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Hellgate....... Does me being new to this board really make a difference? 1000.00 for ANY exhaust systems is quite pricey, Don't you think?
Also if proper tuning is available, then tuning ANY exhaust for maximum potential is the proper way to do it, and i could easily justify paying for proper ECM tuning... more so than a "tuned" exhaust.
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Easyrider
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What would be really interesting is too see if we can do a group buy... The price of the exhaust go's down. It costed me a little more then 1000 dynoruns too make it.

Don't talk about the amount of dynoruns it took me to get the fuelmap for the stock ecm right.

I doubt anybody will make a better fuel map.. Becuase nobody is paying to do this That's why i put the time in it and sell it too you guys..

Grandstand, doesn't have the latest flash from me.. CCryder will drive the ultimate combination, the flash grandstand has is for the race ECM, not for the stock ECM, We burn them ourselfs into the ECM, with our own developed software and it is not for sale.

We would love too make it as cheap as possible too have fun, and show all of you open and honest wat we do and how.
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Easyrider
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

d_adams, if you look at this article: http://www.twinmotorcycles.nl/artikelen.asp?aid=56 You see how we build it and tested it.

You will not believe how critical I am in making my fuel map. I take days and days and days and days too make them.

I am now working on a XR1200 I will also make a article about tuning a stock bike and different stage 1 mods. I doubt anybody in the world will make a better fuelmap... Becuase nobody besides the factory will put that amount of time in a fuel map for a bike not even the factory.

I even think they don't have a propper airco installed which is big enough too keep the engine cool, i got schaed when I put my 02 sensors in the headers and start measuring... brrr...

You need too be a little crazy too do what i do, it's cold.. a lot of noice and every day makinf 6-8 hours in that room makes you a little bit crazy.. But i like happy customers...
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Bettybuell
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I went to Grandstand Designs and bought the Torque Hammer and their tuning services. I have to say, I like the black pipe because it looks similar to the stock pipe, like it was designed just for this bike.

The sound is perfect, fit was also perfect, and the performance is what I expected. I am pleased and can highly recommend it. I have had it on track days and it ran perfectly. (jeez, I should find another adjective besides perfect)
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Ohsoslow
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

those are some very nice numbers, looks ok, sounds great. one question, why does the test bike not have ztl brake up front?
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Clarkjw
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Is CC rider the bagger with the CR?
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Badlionsfan
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 12:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

No cc has an 08 1125r with 20k + miles on it.
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Justa4banger
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Easyrider... Its good to know that you put so much time into the actual tune of the ECM for these bikes. I guess i comment earlier was more about being surprised that tuning cost much less than the exhaust itself...
For mods i have made on other vehicles the actual hard parts weren't that expensive, but i have been known to drop 1500.00 on getting those parts "tuned" to work in harmony. the end result is a machine that performs better and performs as it should.
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Hellgate
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 01:36 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

"Hellgate....... Does me being new to this board really make a difference? 1000.00 for ANY exhaust systems is quite pricey, Don't you think?"

Oh just the fact that you don't know what you're talking about.

No I don't think $1,000 for a proper, well designed exhaust system isn't too much. I think paying a basement price for an untested POS is a complete waste of money however

With the TH you are getting a know commodity, with others...not so much.

Besides I think Dris squared you away.

(Message edited by hellgate on November 01, 2009)
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Walt
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 02:29 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Here are pics of the pipe in stainless

TM pipe1


With faring on





bike


It's a great pipe, and works best with the map from Easyrider. It delivers smooth power though out the rpm range.
I've had mine since March of this year, it's worth the money.
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Littlebutquick
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 02:49 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

i tested the hammer and new fuell map at my last test n tune i ran 5 x nines before that only 1xnine also the hammer fits snug to the motor 40mm higher than the sarron i used before so i can lower the front more for better 60ft time witch i will try next year clip below shows the hammer in action if you want your arms pulling out of your sockets speak to dris
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGGhoCkNFvk
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Sleeper_777
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 06:45 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Easyrider,
With the T.H. pipe and stock ECM remap, does the rider have to give the throttle a three-twist TPS reset every time the bike is to be started? I saw this method somewhere on a tuned 1125.

One other ?, what is the cost of the s.s. version?

Regards
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Drhodes1970
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 07:37 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

SS version is beautiful. Saving up money this winter for exhaust and ecm tune in the spring .Can't wait Dris!
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Torquaholic
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have a few questions for both GrandStand Designs(GSD) and Dris(TM),

Dris, you mentioned the fact that GSD does not have the most recent flash from you. Will they be getting this new flash and how does a customer go about having their bike flashed? (Send the ECM to GSD or to TM?)

P_ squared posted the links to GSD and the individual prices of the pipe and the tune. Will those prices stay the same for the new flash and any new batches of TH exhausts?

Does the BadWeb member discount apply on the pipe, tune, or both through GSD?

Dris, I like your idea of a group buy to lower the price on the exhaust. Considering that prospective customers live all across the US (across the world for that matter) how would a group buy program work? Would you ship to each individual customer at a lowered price, or would a single person be in charge of distributing the exhausts to the members who were included in the group buy program?

Thanks for all your efforts. Please keep us updated on the test results.
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Speedy818
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

If I have ECMSpy - can I backup my stock ECM before I upgrade to the TH tune, so if I have to take it in for warranty work, I can swap back? Or can I buy an extra ECM? How would that work?
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Cafefun
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 10:10 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Stainless looks much better to me. but still pricey I will wait and see what a group buy comes out to if we can do one
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Smoke4ndmears
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 11:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Walt, what are those 'tweener fairings above the pod? Self made?
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