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Xbud
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Anyone have a problem with the throttle cables on the high bar installation on the CR? I find that once I install the cables they don't retract and stick, I have uninstalled and rerouted the cables to aleviate this problem but nothing seems to work, any ideas?
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Asawoo
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 11:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Just got mine done and the throttle works better than on the clubmans! Try adjusting the slack adjusters on cables from the switch housing. Hope this helps.
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Oyrider
Posted on Friday, October 30, 2009 - 11:26 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I had to play with the routing of the throttle cables too. They touch the fork leg and go under the cover by the ignition switch. They also go around the wiring under the flyscreen, and be sure they are ty-wrapped to that wiring channel by the air intake. It took me a while to get it all figured out so the cables didn't drag at the side to side lock. OR, go look at a CR with the high bars from the factory.... if you can find one, and see how they are routed.
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Erich
Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 03:41 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

There are a couple posts on this. The angle can be a problem on the 09 cables. The '10 cables were redesigned to take care of it, but playing with the routing is suppose to help, though they may still stick when you turn the bars toward the lock.
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Doug_pirahna
Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 08:18 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just finished installing the high bars on my CR last night and am having the same problem. I'm getting ready to go out and fool around with it this morning and see if I can solve it.
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Xbud
Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 08:53 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I have been working on this for a couple of days, if you figure it out please let me know....Thanks.
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Avc8130
Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 10:11 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

ANYONE have the 2010 throttle cable part numbers?
ac
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Carbonbigfoot
Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 10:26 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Try this.

1. Once you get everything buttoned up, turn the bars all the way to which ever side is sticking, or if it's sticking everywhere in the left/right range of travel of the bars, put it where it's worst.

2. Loosen the screws that hold the clamshell on the throttle just a little.

3. Hit WOT and leave it stuck.

4. Rotate the housing and see if it snaps back.

5. Find that spot, then tighten everything back up.

6. Take almost all of the slack out of the cables with the adjusters.

R
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Doug_pirahna
Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got mine pretty close by adjusting the cables all the way in the housing. It closes by itself now, but not with the authority it had previously. I don't think the routing has a lot to do with it, it's in adjusting the cables. I'll keep messing with it a little, but I can live with it now.
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Xbud
Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 05:54 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I got about as good as it is going to get, it is still sticking a little at full lock to the left, but I think it will loosen a little with time, thank for the help everyone.
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Avc8130
Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 06:15 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Have you guys been lubing the cables at all, or just going with however they come from HD?
ac
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Srlorg
Posted on Saturday, October 31, 2009 - 07:53 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

When I did the high bar conversion on my 08 R I lubed the cables with break free teflon lube and used lithium grease on the housing area. I also routed the lower cable to the underside of the large wire bundle underneath the frame and next to the intake tube. I routed the upper cable above that large bundle. This was how it was from the factory. I havent had any sticking as yet and the throttle seems freer that before. I did remove the noid so maybe thats why it seems smoother. I used the 09 cable kit.
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Brumbear
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 07:09 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Froggy and I did the swap today and denoided them same problem with both bikes i am gonna order the 10 cables see if this fixes the problem
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Avc8130
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 07:14 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

What are the 10 cable part numbers?
ac
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Brumbear
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 07:16 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'll let yo know tomorrow
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Dmhines
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 07:17 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Who has the 2010 cable part #'s ???

There are lots of folks out there with 2009 CR's with High Bars mounted at the dealership without problems. The CR I test rode had High Bars ... and it had no problems.

My High Bar kit is should be delivered via UPS on Tuesday and I will get to work on it. It has to be all in the cable routing. For the folks that have done this themselves .. is the room for alternate routing or is there definitely only one way they will reach?

My Highbar kit shipped the other day after being on Back Order from HD ... HOPEFULLY .. they started shipping them with 2010 cables ... wouldn't that be sweet!

(Message edited by dmhines on November 01, 2009)
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Avc8130
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 07:33 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

Take some pics!
ac
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Brumbear
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 07:52 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I am so pissed as the clutch and brakes were done no problem . Thats where I thought the problems would come as the lines had to be changed and bled no problems except getting the clutch line past the steel tubing but not impossible.
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Fmaxwell
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 08:08 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I'd also be interested in:

1. Prices on the 2010 throttle cables

2, Whether there are some kind of filler plates on the 2010 instrument/headlight housing to get rid of the cut-outs for the clubman bar cables and hoses. See the pictures I included here:

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290 431/507789.html?1256923336
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Ratbuell
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

We've had every conversion fight back.

Solution is adjusting the cables correctly AT THE THROTTLE BODY.

I haven't had hands-on experience with it yet as I still like my clubmans...but the solution is at the throttle-end adjustments. There are adjustments at the end, and at the bracket, from what I understand.

Proper routing is also required, of course.
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Dmhines
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:01 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

I just did some quick google searching on adjusting harley throttle cables. I notice that many harley's actually have a 90 degree bend coming out of the throttle grip .. so it's hard to believe a 45 degree is a problem.

How easily did the wires slide through the cable prior to install? DId you compare how easy the new ones slid compared to the original ones after you removed them?
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Brumbear
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:18 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

if you bend the cables slightly they bind right up I may experiment with a helper spring I have changed hundreds of cables and never seen anything like this stupid crap ooooohhhhhh I am soooooo pisssssed
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Dmhines
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

That sucks ... maybe I shouldn't bother with the install until the 2010 part #'s are available to order.
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Avc8130
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:20 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

See, you should have let me have the swap. Would have saved all of these frustrations!

You get what you pay for!

ac
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Brumbear
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:28 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

let it go bro let it go
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Dmhines
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:42 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

These guys apparently are converting R to CR High bars and using the original R cables ....

Maybe the R cables will work better with the CR High bar than the 09 CR High bar cables do ???

http://www.badweatherbikers.com/buell/messages/290431/508194.html?1256958445

(Message edited by dmhines on November 01, 2009)
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Froggy
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:47 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)


quote:

Who has the 2010 cable part #'s ???




Funny thing is, 2010's don't have normal 2010 part numbers, probably because they are reusing the kit's part numbers, so its mixed in with the 2009 part numbers. I contacted two dealers, neither are able to pull up all the part numbers for the stuff in the kit due to an issue with HD-Net. I looked at all the cables during my swap with Brumbear today, and nothing besides the bars themselves had part numbers on them. The High bars had longer of everything.


Oh, the high bars suck, I can see over the front end easier with the club mans when on one wheel now. Also now I am not in the wind as much, and I can rest on my tank bag like a pillow. Good riddance, glad the high bars are Brumbear's problem now! : )
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Dmhines
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:50 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

OK ... now you guys are really freakin me out about doing this high bar swap!
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Sekalilgai
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 09:55 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

not sure if this will help

throttle control cable
N0307.1AT

idle control cable
N0308.1AT

out of the 2010 parts book
the same numbers are in the high bar kit.

Ratbuell.....yeah I kinda like the clubman bars too....weird not seeing anything but the tops of the mirrors....
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Dmhines
Posted on Sunday, November 01, 2009 - 10:00 pm:   Edit Post Delete Post View Post/Check IP Print Post    Move Post (Custodian/Admin Only) Ban Poster IP (Custodian/Admin only)

So much for the improved 2010 cables. Perhaps the picture of the 2010 Highbars in the other thread just doesn't show the angled throttle cables very well.
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